Mars is a stupid idea

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The next stepping stone should be astroid mining facilities at the lagrange points between earth and the moon.
Mars seems a bit far off.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: spacegod03

we should solve fortean phenomena first before even trying to get off this planet

Why? Like please tell me why we should do that first? A good reason preferably, like something that will make me go "Ahhh!"

Nothing? Thought so.


That makes no sense. We can do both if you're so inclined. And while we're going to mars, if we solve any fortean phenomena, then maybe it will help our Mars goals, probably not either way.

Mars is one of the many things we are trying to do, as well as going to the moon and asteroids. We have plans and blueprints and research and hours of thought and hundreds of brains on this. Multiple organizations trying to solve the MULTI Faceted problem that is space travel

It makes 0 sense to wait until we solve "Fortean Phenomena"

We're a smart and plenty species
Plenty of brain to go around to solve multiple types of issues

originally posted by: rom12345
The next stepping stone should be astroid mining facilities at the lagrange points between earth and the moon.
Mars seems a bit far off.

It sounds like everyone thinks we're just gonna shoot for mars will nilly
We do have stepping stones of a sort

There are tons of companies shooting for moon bases, more space stations ( inflatable space stations anyone?), asteroid mining!

Mars is the one making most noise because all the spaceX publicity but it's by no means the only thing going on. We are making amazing progress on all sides of this dice.

If somebody is going to Mars it might be a good idea to send some animals there first. So far, we have yet to send a living thing even a half-million miles away from Earth, much less 54.5 million or so. What could happen? Well, that's what might be good to find out.

Personally, I think the farther away from Earth you get, the less real things become because there are not as many people and living things around to solidify it. It's a consciousness-shifting thing.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
If somebody is going to Mars it might be a good idea to send some animals there first.

Ohhh now that would be interesting
I think lots of people would be pretty upset about sending animals to space though

But If we could actually get a self sustaining ecosystem with animals, (mars zoo?), going somehow, we'd learn so much and it would solidify our ability to sustain ourselves there.

a reply to: Blue Shift

One of the primary obstacles to getting people safely to Mars is long term exposure to cosmic (and to a lesser degree, Solar) radiation. We know this. Likewise, other problems (temperatures, low atmospheric pressure, resources) are pretty well known and more is being learned on an ongoing basis. Sending animals would be pointless, just as it would have been pointless to send animals to the Moon.

It's a consciousness-shifting thing.

Are the Mars landers and orbiters conscious?

originally posted by: Phage
Are the Mars landers and orbiters conscious?

No, but the information they gather is collected, interpreted and incorporated into our individual and collective consciousness as indirect and therefore slightly less "real" in the structures of our reality, as opposed to a physical structure we personally interact with closer to our own physical selves. Our individual personal realities gain strength and solidity through consensus. The farther away from a living thing something is, both physically and conceptually, the less real it is since living things are required to perceive and determine its state of existence.

But it would be an interesting social psychological experiment. How detached does a person have to be from all other living things before the reality they perceive starts to become more egocentric and recognizingly distinct from everybody else's here on cozy old Earth, where pretty much everything else lives? Will they go nuts? Or are they already nuts to go to Mars? I don't think I'll live to see it, but... food for marginally real thought.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Incorrect.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

No, but the information they gather is collected, interpreted and...

...make it as clear as ever that trying to send humans there -just to stoke our collective ego- is a huge waste of money for many years to come............................

a reply to: spacegod03

fortean phenomena has plagued the human race since we were just a bunch of dumb bush-hunting simians, while people only began to care about mars in the 1800's, mostly due to false observations of canals and vegetation in it's surface

a reply to: Blue Shift

interesting theory, would make sense in the purely simulatory universe we live in

a reply to: humanoidlord

fortean phenomena has plagued the human race since we were just a bunch of dumb bush-hunting simians,

Plagued me until I was 12 or so. Then girls got really interesting.

Mars would be tiny stepping stone even though it rather large leap. Thing is by the time we ever could fully colonize or even terraform Mars wed probably wouldn't need it any more due to technologiical progress.

a reply to: Specimen

The things to be learned though.

a reply to: Phage

Yep.

And sadly man has got better chance of understanding the mysteries of the universe then understanding woman.

a reply to: Specimen

Every thing involving Mars will be a learning experience that will aid what ever future endevours Mankind embarks upon. Even the goofs will be teaching moments--as they usually are.

a reply to: Phage

oh come on phage, the mysteries of the universe are way more interesting than that!

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

How about we set up a colony under the sea first? We haven't even been to the moon yet.

Of course, we have idiocy like this to deal with as well.

We apparently have all kinds of fantastic pictures of Mars and zero of the moon..and this is all supposedly because it is boring ??

Nope, you are believing lies...get to the moon, or go nowhere at all.

If a proper base is not established there first we are never going anywhere..and it is quite likely that base on the moon WON'T happen.

It seems you buy into the mainstream lies on this subject....perhaps the moonbeams affect your kind.