Mars is a stupid idea

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You seem to be very ignorant of such an idea.
MARS is not the end goal but a stepping stone. And if we as a whole can’t make that step then we may as well give up.
Living here on Earth has proven to be difficult so why expect anything different from another body?
Why are you so fast to dismiss the idea of going to MARS?

The Moon should be the next goal as a stepping stone, then Mars. The Moon will provide the materials needed and a better test for the recycling technologies that will be necessary. If we can keep people alive and sane on the Moon, Mars would be easier.

I'd say the concept of actually going to Mars is indeed stupid. It's not the living there that's the good idea, it's having to develop the technologies that would allow us to live there that is the real purpose of the mission that would have the best impact on earth (energy gathering, food cultivation and all other parts of survival that will need to be accomplished with limited resources) . Just about every innovation in human history is based in doing whatever we can to not die, Mars is nothing but things trying to kill you.

originally posted by: Justoneman

You doom porn people

originally posted by: captainpudding
Mars is nothing but things trying to kill you.

Mars is a doom porn lovers wonderland.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The top of Mt. Everest was stupid!
...
Fortunately for the rest of the human race, our sense of curiosity,

Correct, and it still is!

From a psycho-clinical standpoint people trying to climb a mountain like Everest, or go to Mars, should be "Baker Act'ed".



Dontcha know curiosity killed the cat?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: lordcomac
Without a warp drive there is no other planet in anyones lifetime.

Yep. Unless you're a 25 year old astronaut, you and I ain't going anywhere.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I'm not sure I'd characterize it as intellectual as much as instinctual though.

Powered flight is an expression of the intellectual urge. Little, and not so little, kids have ambitions to become engineers, physicists and whatever else has contributed to humans leaving the ground. Balloons and airplanes couldn't exist without the intellectual urge.

This time though, I think mankind has gone too far and run into the ultimate barrier, if that quest is to leave the planet.

...and done so in a remarkably short period of time. Leaving the planet is inevitable.

I can tell you one thing with almost 100% certainty; if mankind ever figures out a way to colonize another planet like Mars it will come as a result of some revolutionary and stunning scientific discovery which will be discovered as a result of something completely unrelated to space exploration or colonizing Mars.

And totally founded in intellectual capacity and the academic institutions that enable ideas to be disseminated.

In other words, mankind won't discover how to colonize another planet because he's desperately trying to, it will be completely by some other unrelated coincidence.

There are already plans to colonise the Moon and Mars.

In the meantime there's...Cancer, Energy, Environment, and a whole lot of other pressing things we can strive to overcome.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Ohhh the warnings of the wise have arrived
We must heed the warnings of this one mind against hundreds of others and stop all mars plans /s

Your words shine a bright light into your soul. It's #ing boring. Sad sad soul.

I think you just might not understand what could drive a human to do crazy # like that

That's all well.

You can have a little family and get a nice cozy job and live a nice normal life here on earth. That's totally fine and what most of humanity SHOULD do honestly. We need to keep humanity going after all.

For some of us, we have a burning desire to take humanity to space. Some of us have great minds
Great ideas. Great ambitions. Maybe we're even a little crazy. Def a little crazy.

Plain and simple really.
You think we don't know that everything could go wrong?
Well do You think the first Americans thought everything would be peachy? no death was expected on such a voyage

Space is harder. Other planets are harder. MUCH MUCH harder

Death may be abundant in space
Especially at first

We may die and we may die a lot, but we'll figure it out

Ultimately a big enough piece of humanity has accepted the challenge and an even smaller piece is prepared to put in the work to make it happen

Theres lots to do still

Self sustaining habitats
Space stations
Growing food on an inhospitable planet

There are people studying these challenges for years. We will figure it out.

You think humanity hasn't considered your warnings?
They are the warnings of a babe. Warnings of one babe while hundreds of the smartest minds have agreed it is possible and inevitable

Humanity is stronger and smarter than you think
We are and always will be explorers, at least some of us

a reply to: Justoneman

Hold on a moment...doom porn? Losing my mind? Not sure where you got that, but all the same, thanks for sharing your views with me.

originally posted by: spacegod03

For some of us, we have a burning desire to take humanity to space.

You have a burning desire for me to pay billions (trillions?) to fund a whatever on a desolate, toxic soil radiated desert of a rock.

Eff that.

Get you billionaire buddies together you all pay for it and have a nice short life in those pursuits, for all I care. But I aint paying for it, while the US is bankrupt over waterfalls along these lines.

Which by the way its something how many resident "conservatives" shwed up in here to champion this wild frivilous spending that is the Mars Pipedream.

Fake conservatives, like the Republican Party.

US is BROKE wake the F up people.



Or hey lets go another TRILLION in DEBT to COMMUNIST CHINA so Buzz Lightyear can go play with billion dollar toys in the cold desolate vacuum of Outer Space! Yehyeah!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

But I aint paying for it, while the US is bankrupt over waterfalls along these lines.

Every major nation is involved in the dream of getting people off-planet. It'd be good value to shift ~5% of all nations' defence expenditure into space exploration. The taxes are already taken, it's where the revenues are spent that would make a difference.

Ignorance you ain't paying sheitt
You're paying like a fraction of every check calm down, that's not even an argument

Don't act like our puny contribution actually gives us a voice on big brothers space spending. They'd be stupid to stop investing in space for you. Sucks i guess ( not really ) but it's true for all of us.


Now I admit we have money issues, but cutting back on space programs isn't the answer.

Space exploration is here to stay, arguing over whether it should even be in the budget is futile.

Also if billionaires are gonna pool in to support this, they're not gonna send themselves off first.
They're gonna operate from the safety of earth.

Poor/brave/crazy humans go first and they have a very high chance of death. That's just an accepted fact.

This is the real world.

You really are ignorant aren't you?
How is all that bliss feeling? I like to get faded to feel bliss.

Edit: Also i'm pretty conservative except when it comes to war, space & tech spending. IMO ( opinion yeh we all have em ) If gov't needs to spend anywhere, it's there and not on all these different "social services".

i really hate to derail this beautifull thread but there is point in your OP that i found strange:

again I enjoy a good ghost movie even though I dont believe in them.

ghosts are definitely not the souls of the dead (who believe in this rubbish anyways?) but they definitely exist whatever the hell they are, many scientists have reported activity of the polteirgeist type, so its definitely something, we just don't know what

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

we should land on the moon and build a base and test things there first.

originally posted by: spacegod03

I'm pretty conservative except when it comes to war, space & tech spending.

So then you're a Neocon, who would see millions get blown up by bombs with your name on them, surely to stoke your ego like the rest, than you would see some money go to helping out your fellow citizens.

That makes you a bonafide psychopath.

Like your billionaire money god Elite Masters whom prey upon your unconscious mind and manipulate you like a like puppet.

Its what they do.

So seeing Neocon minded people the ones pushing "space exploration" (aka keeping a SPACE WAR mechanism in motion), was expected. Thank you for confirming it though.

So keep following them, and allow t hem t o plunder the nat ion via the National Debt while all the loot goes straight int o their pockets all so when if a handful are able to leave -if need be- it 'll be THEM not YOU. All on your back, on the sweat of your brow. Bu t at least you'll "get to" live vicariously through them and their success in survival, assuming you're not too busy fending off the 'zombie apocalypse' (or whatever lol).

Good plan I'm glad to know you thought of it yourself NOT.

a reply to: schuyler

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH, NO!
we won't get off this freaking planet until we figure what UFOs, ghosts, bigfoots, or maybe even charles fort's unusual rains of debris are

a reply to: TheMadTitan

you mean antigravity as proposed by robert l. forward in his "guidelines to antigravity"?
nah, we would need to find a super dense fluid first , black hole dense i mean

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

we should land on the moon and build a base and test things there first.

That is what will likely happen.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So then you're a Neocon, who would see millions get blown up by bombs with your name on them, surely to stoke your ego like the rest, than you would see some money go to helping out your fellow citizens.

That makes you a bonafide psychopath.

~ I don't always feel my ego stroked, but when I do, death is around me

No sorry not a neocon

We should always spend on weapons & defense development. Government has always & should always do that. The government shouldn't disarm themselves, just as the citizens should never be disarmed. That would be silly and unfortunate

I agree that we spend a bit much on war but that's a separate issue.

I would love to see more of that money go to infrastructure or cutting edge space tech or big projects like going to mars.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
again i think that we should abandon space exploration and focus on more realistic and interesting issues

We're focusing on everything at the same time, to me and many space IS the most interesting issue

300 million people in the US 7 billion worldwide
Some focused on medicine
some entertainment
some finance, business, military
some survival
And some space

No one is going to abandon anything
If you honestly feel ok with just abandoning it, then you really don't understand where we are at as a species

There are some who make this there whole life, just as there are some who make figuring out a cure their whole life.

We all have different purposes, why abandon one you don't understand yet?