It fascinates me seeing some of the "greatest" minds of our time obsessed with going to Mars, because it's a stupid idea.
Unfiltered solar & cosmic radiation galore, lack of oxygen & liquid water, extremely low nightly temperatures, not even warm daily
temperatures, planetary scale dust storms that last years, and last not but not least soil toxic to plants. Oh, and its a gabazillion miles from Earth
for when Murphey's Law inevitably comes knocking.
Consider, would you like to live underwater? By that I dont mean go stay at some fancy hotel for a seminar, but I mean REALLY live underwater with all
of its technical challenges such as power and heating equipment going bad, water filtration concerns, oxygen issues, food and cleaning technical
challenges, and so on.
Imagine not being able to go outside without a special suit, not being able to feel the suns rays on your skin ever, etc.
And this is the fantasy version compared to Mars, from the realm that inspires sexy Mermaid's amongst other endless wonders.
Then there's reality:
Desert! The sort of realm that inspires visions of struggle; of fire demons like Ifrit:
I know I've been enjoying the list of shows and films about Mars in recent years, but then again I enjoy a good ghost movie even though I dont believe
in them. Take for example Matt Damon's "The Martian (2015)", the central plot device being him growing potatoes and living 'high on the hog' compared
to many other Mars flicks.
But once again Truth likes to kick us silly humans in the teeth:
Martian soil is toxic, due to relatively high concentrations of perchlorate compounds containing chlorine. Elemental chlorine was first discovered
during localised investigations by Mars rover Sojourner, and has been confirmed by Spirit, Opportunity and Curiosity. The Mars Odyssey orbiter has
also detected perchlorates across the surface of the planet.
The NASA Phoenix lander first detected chlorine-based compounds such as calcium perchlorate. The levels detected in the Martian soil are around 0.5%,
which is a level considered toxic to humans. These compounds are also toxic to plants. A 2013 terrestrial study found that a similar level of
concentration to that found on Mars (0.5 g per liter) caused:
-a significant decline in the chlorophyll content in plant leaves,
-reduction in the oxidizing power of plant roots
-reduction in the size of the plant both above and below ground
-an accumulation of concentrated perchlorates in the leaves
The report noted that one of the types of plant studied seemed resistant to the perchlorates and could be used to help remove the toxins in its
environment, although the plants themselves would end up containing a high concentration of perchlorates as a result. There is evidence that some
bacterial lifeforms are able to overcome perchlorates and even live off them. However, the added effect of the high levels of UV reaching the surface
of Mars breaks the molecular bonds, creating even more dangerous chemicals which in lab tests on Earth were shown to be more lethal to bacteria than
the perchlorates alone. en.wikipedia.org...
In that film the situation is set in motion by a dust storm. Of course that came off as the likes you'd see on Earth. In reality:
And it's downhill from there. I mean imagine living on a desert island. At least there it might rain any day, and a ship might go by in the next few
weeks. When it goes wrong on Mars, and it WILL, nope you're done.
"Hope is a dangerous thing" as they say, often because of what happens when you lose it. Even just living on a remote island can be troublesome
enough, such as when you need certain medicines, or even just dish soap!
So what are 'they' thinking? I'd say its half being immortalized in History to get to be The First, then there's the corporate exploitation angles
involved. Besides that, this is the realm of robots as we already know enough about what's there to know better, opposed to say the sorts that set out
to find and explore the New World, there's just no comparison when actual logic enters the picture.
Unless that is somebody has a "warp drive", but that's right that's fiction and we have how much evidence such a thing is even possible? I'd say even
if it is, by the time we 'know how' to build one 'properly' for such a task at about that point if we started prepping the rest should be about how
long it would take to prep the rest of the stuff. In that situation how we'd build for the trip would be largely different even!
So, yehyeah Elon Musk, 'get your ass to Mars'! Or how about you prove you really are the true ultimate genius and be The First to design a frickin
warp drive. Otherwise you're bound to prove that very smart people are still human and are capable of very stupid things.
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BUT, it's the best stupid idea we've got. Solving the challenges it takes to get to Mars isn't even yet trying to crawl when it comes to solving the
huge technical problems we need to solve to get to another habitable planet.
Human nature is funny like that- without a goal there's no motivation. We need real world problems in order to innovate new solutions... So by going
to Mars, we're creating ourselves some monumental problems to solve.
Shouldnt be much a surprise when half the people out there pray for the apocalypse to come and 'solve' their problems. Instead of trying to actually
solve them and make of life on Earth into a 'Heaven'.
This won't do! Someone actually thinking logically about going to Mars? You know better than to point out reality to stargazers. Actually, it's
Mars or bust. It's the first and only possible step man could make regardless of if it is possible of even practical at this point.
Don't burst their bubble. It's the only one they have of ever getting off this planet
It's Mars or bust...
But, reality says, develop AI and Robotics first and forget sending humans until then.
I can hardly imagine a well educated survivalist, semi-practiced survivalist type would find such an task to be a good one. There are just details
involved in surviving off the grid (alone), the little things, that you just cant fully appreciate until you've done it. Like how I brought up dish
soap; thats just scratching the surface. Humans will figure out a fire and water, shelter, but to make it a life even remotely worth living is this
whole other dimension of affairs and time-tables that would drive most people to the noose.
Another way to approach this larger issue, imagine if NASA started building the Moon buggy and all that sort of stuff before they even had rockets;
started packing the flag they (supposedly) stuck into the surface before they even had astronauts. That's about the situation here.
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Going to Mars is a GREAT idea. We need to get away from this Earth successfully, and ultimately away from this solar system, if we are to survive.
It's just a matter of time before the next asteroid hits and wipes out civilization. If you are the kind that is into self-loathing of mankind and
believe we should not survive, I have nothing further to say to you for I have no respect at all for your position. Go back to the basement.
If you think going to Mars is "stupid" because we could "do more things on Earth," then I see that you are not of a courageous nature and in ancient
times you would have refused to cross the first large river you encountered because it was "too wide." I get that. Some people simply do not have the
gene to venture over the next ridge. For you the answer is simply to stay home. Stay where you are. There's nothing wrong with that.
But if you do choose to stay home, don't tell the rest of us we are required to stay with you. I believe you have the absolute right to stay home, but
I also believe you have no right to make me or anyone else stay home with you. That route leads to ultimate stagnation and death. I believe that route
is short sighted and myopic. Who knows what we will find and how that will impact humanity as a whole? If we lose that spirit, we lose the race.
It should be every bit as a cozy a place as your profile image looks to be.
Here is the real story. We, a warring species, are going to do some craZ things that might create an extinction level event. Right now we have
science willing to try very dangerous things in an attempt to get ahead of the other war like governments.
The Nuclear bomb was theorized to work by great minds but it was also a concern that once started the reaction would continue until the Earth was one
big fireball. I know people who ultimately lost their lives to constant radiation poisoning working on the bomb. Just like The Dr's Curie had through
ignorance of the reactions reach at the sub atomic levels.
You seem to be very ignorant of such an idea.
MARS is not the end goal but a stepping stone. And if we as a whole can’t make that step then we may as well give up.
Living here on Earth has proven to be difficult so why expect anything different from another body?
Why are you so fast to dismiss the idea of going to MARS?
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