BREAKING: Migrants Breach Wall, Throw Rocks, Get Gassed Back To Mexico - Videos

a reply to: TheRedneck

Interestingly I feel the same about all those points you raised, other than the politicians they are too slimy and I refuse to entertain them.

I appreciate the dialogue, will have to take this up another night, my gf is here and calling me to bed. It's a pleasure chatting with you...

Liberals are still like the mob is miles and miles away. What's everyone worried about.

Have people seen the statistics of illegals in jail in America
Eveyone on of those crimes could have been prevented and the money spent on illegal criminals is damaging.

This should be common sense stuff but literally liberals don't care if a few Americans are killed or raped along the way

a reply to: chr0naut

You make a few inappropriate comparisons in your calculations.

The minimum wage per day in Mexico is 88.36 MXN, true. In order to compare, however, we need to know what the average Mexican workday is in hours. Turns out it is 8 hours for day shift workers just like full time positions in the US.

So, 88.36/8 = 11.045 MXN/hr.

You are trying to look at after tax rates in one country with an implied comparison to before tax rates in another. No. I am not taking tax rates into consideration for that reason, so we can compare actual hourly rates.

You also fail to consider price differences between Mexican and American cities. I did. I compared the cost between Puerto Escondido (close to where they were when the work was offered) and Los Angeles, CA (where it is likely many will wind up, based on their entry from the San Diego area). While there was not enough information to compare overall consumer prices, the cost of a restaurant meal is 247.58% higher in Los Angeles. That's a multiplier of 3.4758.

11.045 * 3.4758 = 38.39 MSX equiv./hr.

The present exchange rate is 1 MXN/$0.049.

38.39 * 0.049 = $1.88 equiv./hr. as compared to $7.25/hr. in the US.

Now, that's still low, but after a 48 hour week, a Mexican laborer will earn $90.28 equiv. In the US, most part time jobs are 29 hours per week, and most laborer jobs are 29 hours to prevent inclusion under the ACA. so an American will earn $7.25 * 29 = $210.25... just over twice as much.

Now, consider that in the US, these part time jobs have no possibility for overtime; if overtime is worked, it places the employee in a full-time position and incurs huge costs to the company, with no premium in pay until 40 hours per week is achieved. In Mexico, any time worked after the standard work week doubles their pay for the first 9 hours and triples after that. In other words, there is the possibility of making more in Mexico; no possibility at all in a typical American part-time laborer job.

All in all, yes, Mexican workers make less than American workers. Considering cost of living and workweeks, though, the difference is nowhere near as drastic as you propose. And another benefit is they will be legal in Mexico... not so much in the US. They do not qualify for asylum in the US, because they have already turned down asylum in another safe country. That is automatic disqualification according to the UN.

TheRedneck

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Most politicians are slimy; agreed. But who else can make and enforce the laws? By definition, anyone who does so is a politician.

Good chatting with you, too.

TheRedneck

a reply to: chr0naut

Your comparisons are totally useless because you forgot the cost of living. The migrants want to get to Los Angeles so let's compare Los Angeles with Mexico's biggest city. In Mexico City, an apartment 1 bedroom costs $ 535.00 a month. Los Angeles 1 bedroom is $ 2,095.80 a month. A meal at an inexpensive Restaurant Mexico city $ 4.17. Los Angeles that same meal would cost $15.50. By simply factoring in the cost of living the migrants would do much better in Mexico then trying to survive on minimum wage in a major city. And living in other places other than Mexico city you can pay even far less the average for 1 bedroom is $330.00 for Mexico.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Did they breach the wall or the blockade the mexicans set up ahead of the wall?
Theres a difference even if you refuse to acknowledge it.
Your post is a bit cloudy.

Hundreds of the immigrants broke through the Mexico blockade to make it to the border wall.

make it to the border wall.....

Are you setting right wing troll up for controversy?

Honduran migrant Ana Zuniga, 23, said she saw migrants open a small hole in concertina wire at a gap on the Mexican side of a levee, at which point U.S. agents fired tear gas at them.

Again on the mexican side....
and from this same lady

when migrants opened small hole in concertina wire at bottom of Tijuana River. She didn’t see anyone get thru

She didnt see anyone get through.

a reply to: dragonridr

California has Taco Bell. Its still less than two dollars for a taco. Bull....
Here is a whole page of apartments less than two thousand dollars om Los Angeles
You really are not fair comparing prices from Mexico city its not the same at all.
You can get an apartment for six hundred a month throughout the US and you know it.

a reply to: Sillyolme

There is actually 2 border fences not just one. so they were not going to cross anyway.

a reply to: dragonridr

and the OP is bull isnt it?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: dragonridr

California has Taco Bell. Its still less than two dollars for a taco. Bull....
Here is a whole page of apartments less than two thousand dollars om Los Angeles
You really are not fair comparing prices from Mexico city its not the same at all.
You can get an apartment for six hundred a month throughout the US and you know it.

A taco is not a meal my god you can't be that stupid. Yeah they could order fries for less than 2 dollars also. And you want to compare US to Mexico in apartments thats fine as I pointed out a 1 bedroom in Mexico is cheap. My comparison was with the most expensive city in Mexico to live. The Average rent in Mexico is $375.00 US dollars. meaning there is cheaper as well. i did some looking in Tiajuana and they have one bedroom that would cost 160.00 a month. Now find anywhere in the US you can match that cost of living. Even with your low estimate of 600.00 for an apartment thats 7200.00 vs 4500.00 a year. And the reason the migrants are in Tijuana is they plan on going to Los Angeles so it really doesnt matter what an apartment costs in Maine. What matters is what it costs in California and good luck finding a 600.00 a month apartment you would be willing to live in.

Oh I bet that will give the dim bulbs on the right a tingle. a reply to: shawmanfromny

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: dragonridr

and the OP is bull isnt it?

Here perhaps this video will give you an idea about the second fence and where border agents were, Oh and border agents popped a smoke grenade and not tear gas. If it was tear gas these people would have been hacking coughing eyes burning. So the media is not being honest about them using tear gas as the video shows.

a reply to: dragonridr

look at them..
go pro's
iphones
androids
dslr cameras
latest threads
stocked backpacks..


this is a total setup... they've all been promised big bucks if they can get anything on film against the border patrol..
see that one guy at the end pretending he was seriously injured?... he didnt even have a scratch or a drop of blood

what a total con

Wait you think its unusual for migrants supposedly poor having thousands of dollars in recording equipment? Dont be silly im sure in Honduras iphones sell for 3 or 4 dollars. Apparently, they are so cheap that the unemployed can afford them. Guess we need to go to Honduras to buy electronics.

a reply to: dragonridr

If they're poor, we know why. They spend all their money on electronic gadgets, contracts for those gadgets and nice clothes so they don't look poor. Someone forget to teach them that they had to pay for the responsible stuff along the way like food and shelter, but then, that's why they're coming to America -- they expect the US taxpayer to pick up the responsible stuff for them, so they can continue to look not poor and whine about being poor.

I'm just gonna remind everyone of the standard set at Charlottesville. Not everyone who showed up to that rally was a neo-nazi. Some people just came to demonstrate for free speech and protest censorship. However, the left insisted that as soon as they saw Nazi paraphernalia they should have left, so they were "associating" with Nazis and deserved to be condemned.

Applying that same standard, everyone who rushed the border with the rock throwers and the people becoming violent was associating with the violent and rightfully shared their fate and got gassed. That's the standard the left set after Charlottesville. Take it or leave it.

What would be the chances/odds that the funding of the Caravan is some of the possible Wall Construction Contracting Companies that are bidding for the project or have the contract already, just need the funding to be approved to get the green light?

Sure those who were on the fence about funding or against it, altogether... are having a 2nd thoughts today.

This would be typical mode o operandi.

Contract Awarded To Build 1st 6 Miles Of U.S.-Mexico Border Wall U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials said the first portion of Trump-trumpeted wall along southern border will cost $145 million.

patch.com...

US awards $73M contract for border wall work in New Mexico
apnews.com...

The first border wall contract was awarded to a startup owned by firm with a ... a roughly 2-mile stretch of border fencing in California, is the offshoot of a New ... broader proposal to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
thehill.com...

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
the vast majority of asylum

So, Mexico offered asylum. Why did they refuse?

Because with Mexican minimum wage being what it is (about $5 US/week), it wasn't much of an offer, perhaps?

Economic distress is not a qualifier for asylum. So, that would explain why they did not accept the offer from Mexican officials. Then they are not asylum seekers, right?

Umm, they were being offered asylum by Mexico, not from Mexico.

They weren't seeking asylum from Mexico but from the Honduran and Guatemalan governments and cartels.

But the Economic Refugee clauses of the Refugee act of 1980, grants legal asylum.

So my question is, why aren't they trying to fix their own country instead of bringing their problems here? Sorry, but its time to derail the gravy train, and stop letting all of these people come here and mooch off of the hard working American citizens.

Let's think about who is responsible in part, for the reason they are fleeing, of the whoas in Latin America...

Hard to fix their country, when covert and overt ops are being carried out against their country....

Also for reference

Admission of Refugees The Act amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 by defining a refugee as any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion

Regime Change comes at a cost

en.wikipedia.org...

1 Argentina
2 Brazil
3 Chile
4 Costa Rica
5 El Salvador
6 Guatemala
7 Nicaragua
8 Panama
9 Paraguay
10 Peru
11 Uruguay
12 See also

5 Brutal Dictators The U.S. Helped Slaughter Hundreds Of Thousands
allthatsinteresting.com...
- The United States has aligned itself with some pretty brutal dictators ... How The U.S. Government Has Supported The Deaths Of Hundreds Of Thousands ... US-backed dictatorships in South America that would soon follow…

Does that help justify some of their reasoning?

a reply to: dojozen

I'll agree we do not need to be in the business of regime change around the globe. But I fail to see how that means we should be drug down to the level of other countries. Wouldn't it be better to raise them to our level?

TheRedneck