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BREAKING: Migrants Breach Wall, Throw Rocks, Get Gassed Back To Mexico - Videos

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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: carewemust
Did you catch the news...after regime change, came...

The brother of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez was arrested Friday on charges of trafficking coc aine, weapons offenses ...



Honduran President's brother arrested on drug trafficking ... - CNN.com
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11 hours ago - (CNN) The brother of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez was arrested Friday on charges of trafficking coc aine, weapons offenses ...

Honduran President's Brother, Arrested in Miami, Is Charged With ...

www.nytimes.com...
19 hours ago - Juan Antonio Hernández, the brother of the Honduran president, was described as a “large-scale drug trafficker” with ties to organized crime ...

Brother of Honduras' President Arrested in Miami on Drug Trafficking ...
www.newsweek.com...

6 hours ago - The brother of the Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez has been arrested on charge of trafficking tons of coc aine and weapons.
Honduran President's brother arrested, charged in the US
www.smh.com.au... › World › Central America › Crime

20 hours ago - New York: A brother of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez has been charged in the US with scheming for years to bring tonnes of ...


Little clearer now, that the Hondurans have a just reason for fleeing...and when you put it into perspective on what happened to the previous administration Zelaya who was ousted in US backed regime change.

Who is to blame?




posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

If u read the main article closely it
"Peacefully protesting at the border"

That's why.... it's a "protest" apparently...
edit on 27-11-2018 by Txbuffalo because: Typo



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: Assassin82
Unfortunately I believe these invaders will be granted access across the border, with or without “asylum”, legally or illegally. There are too many people here (judges, politicians, socialists) who will make sure they’re seen as the great humanitarians who spited Trump and his followers and led the progressives to a great win for the world.


No way will that happen, not under Trumps watch. Trump has the Ultimate Unlimited power under National Security. Especially protecting our borders. The border patrol and local police will be the sacrificial lambs till the
Military is forced to beat the INVADERS down.

Mattis thinks he has no authority to act in a police role but he does not understand its his job to DEFEND our borders and would be replaced the second he argues with Trump over this, if the police and Military are taking shots from anything and lose control on the front line, Rocks and such.

All I can say is they better have more that one LRAD facing these UN paid terrorist. They had been offered Asylum in Mexico so its obvious now, they all are just looking to start trouble!! They could have stayed in Mexico and then applied to come here legally!

Mattis needs to start acting like his former self and leave the White House to call the shots and act as the Attorney. Its not right for him to publicly question his authority. We elected Trump to do a Job, he is getting most of it done so he needs to back up his Boss or admit he is to frail for the job and step down.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: dojozen

8 U.S. Code § 1325(a):

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.


TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: dojozen

If we go by the definition ..they have to touch the land to be considered over the border. if they drown they float and as such do not touch the soil. If they are violent or try to invade legally they can be shot dead Because currently the US is in a state of war on terrorism.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

In the first video you can even hear the "leader" in the loud speaker say "vamos compañeros, adelante...No somos criminales"

"Compañeros" is how communists/socialist revolutionaries name each other. It means "Comrads." So you got a "socialist revolutionary" or even "communist" being one of the leaders of this particular "caravan."
edit on 27-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:30 PM
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originally posted by: dojozen
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Little clearer now, that the Hondurans have a just reason for fleeing...and when you put it into perspective on what happened to the previous administration Zelaya who was ousted in US backed regime change.

Who is to blame?


First of all, "corruption" is not a reason for seeking political asylum, or any sort of asylum in the U.S., or most other western nations...

Second of all, the Liberals won 62 of 128 seats in the National Assembly. Meanwhile the national party got 61 seats out of 128. Liberals have gained power over the National Assembly since 1997.

BTW, and in case you didn't know, Honduras is going through the same path as Venezuela, in which socialists/Liberals have been taking control and implementing left-wing policies which are impoverishing the nation. I could post here videos of Hondurans stating this, but they are in Spanish.

At around 2:50 this Honduran, who lives there, states Honduras is going through the same path as Venezuela.



That's what is happening in MANY Latin American countries, and it is the reason why they are becoming impoverished, or worse than they used to be.

But no one in the left would admit to this.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: dojozen

I'll agree we do not need to be in the business of regime change around the globe. But I fail to see how that means we should be drug down to the level of other countries. Wouldn't it be better to raise them to our level?

TheRedneck

In a previous post, someone said that the migrants attempts to enter the US was an affront to sovereignty.

Yet the US has attempted to 'raise to their level' of many countries and sent 'peacekeeping' troops (often unrequested) everywhere.

Where, and when, is the sovereignty of other countries ever respected by the US?

Did the European migrants respect the sovereignty of the Native Americans?


As per the Monroe Doctrine, the USA pretty much claims absolute right of interference in Latin America.

en.wikipedia.org...

No apologies. We are their overlord.

This was further reinforced by the Spanish American war.

en.wikipedia.org...


If Latin America wants to get anywhere in terms of its own international sovereignty, it needs to first come to terms with this.

Also come to terms with the fact they are not in a tactical position to change it by force.

After they have done this, they can then appeal to the American people to tell their government to improve. Maybe even draft an official petition to the USA government asking it to reverse the doctrine. (Set a realistic goal. It's unlikely the USA will ever acknowledge its error so much it agrees to pay out any money.)


Trouble is, Latin America has never really said it doesn't want the USA poking around. They accept our loans, and our aid payments.




originally posted by: RudeMarine
a reply to: Assassin82
Unfortunately I believe these invaders will be granted access across the border, with or without “asylum”, legally or illegally. There are too many people here (judges, politicians, socialists) who will make sure they’re seen as the great humanitarians who spited Trump and his followers and led the progressives to a great win for the world.


No way will that happen, not under Trumps watch. Trump has the Ultimate Unlimited power under National Security. Especially protecting our borders. The border patrol and local police will be the sacrificial lambs till the
Military is forced to beat the INVADERS down.





originally posted by: dojozen
also to note more specifically:
The US role in the Honduras coup and subsequent violence-


....a number of U.S. officials -- most notably then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton -- played an important role in preventing Zelaya’s return to office and the junta consolidating its power in the face of massive nonviolent protests.
www.ncronline.org...


How US policy in Honduras set the stage for today's migration
theconversation.com...




Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.” The Trump administration’s recognition, in December 2017, of President Juan Orlando Hernández’s re-election—after a process marked by deep irregularities, fraud and violence. This continues Washington’s longstanding willingness to overlook official corruption in Honduras as long as the country’s ruling elites serve what are defined as U.S. economic and geopolitical interests.

Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. The frequent politically motivated killings are rarely punished. In 2017, Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization, found that Honduras was the world’s deadliest country for environmental activists.


can't have your cake and your pudding too


It was really stupid of Honduras to defy us. We told them not to deal with Venezuela.

They knew what we would do.

They want to live inside the safety of our sphere of influence. But they don't want to have to obey our edicts.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 01:07 AM
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This brief video of a Father, whose daughter was murdered by an ILLEGAL ALIEN on Thanksgiving day, is touching.

This Could Be Any One of Us: twitter.com...

If Congress cared about the people who elected them, construction of a long-deep-high Wall between the U.S./Mexico would be well underway. And number of Americans killed by illegal aliens, or the drugs smuggled in, would be steadily decreasing.

But since Congress doesn't give a damn about the safety of citizens, President Trump should call for an urgent, nationwide vote. YEA or NEA for building "The Wall", starting IMMEDIATELY.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 02:09 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
This brief video of a Father, whose daughter was murdered by an ILLEGAL ALIEN on Thanksgiving day, is touching.

This Could Be Any One of Us: twitter.com...

If Congress cared about the people who elected them, construction of a long-deep-high Wall between the U.S./Mexico would be well underway. And number of Americans killed by illegal aliens, or the drugs smuggled in, would be steadily decreasing.

But since Congress doesn't give a damn about the safety of citizens, President Trump should call for an urgent, nationwide vote. YEA or NEA for building "The Wall", starting IMMEDIATELY.


Just reading all the comments. Don't know how the girl died, but... Anyone who wants an open border has got no loyalty to family and country. I live in a foreign country and when a foreigner kills a Japanese it is BIG news.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: shawmanfromny

In the first video you can even hear the "leader" in the loud speaker say "vamos compañeros, adelante...No somos criminales"

"Compañeros" is how communists/socialist revolutionaries name each other. It means "Comrads." So you got a "socialist revolutionary" or even "communist" being one of the leaders of this particular "caravan."


Hi, just wanted to clarify a bit the stuff

Comrads is not even a real word, but let's forget that

i do feel the same way you do, for the most part

"camarada" is the spanish word and is not at all the same thing as what they used there.

"companieros" is not equal to comrads

you think "camarada" is somehow the word use by communism right? "comrade"


But companiero means "companion" like if you go on a trip to the mountains or to the beach, whoever goes with you are your companions, not necessarily you comrads

You may be reading wrong into what they are saying and it leads you into thinking bad about people that has nothing to do with it

Just saying, words look similar but not same meaning.. just saying ok?

edit on 28-11-2018 by BoneSay because: (no reason given)


just to add "camarada" equals your guy you can trust, which i think you had in mind.

"companiero" equals a guy that goes on your same path, even if not your actual friend, but you travel together, or work together at the same place
edit on 28-11-2018 by BoneSay because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 07:18 AM
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Thanks Redneck for the Law Reference, and

bloodymarvelous thanks for Monroe Act reference and how meddling rights in Latin America is authorized.

Also yuppa for touch soil to be consider in the US, when landing by sea approach is considered.

ElectroUniverse, see your points, all good and valid!
edit on 28-11-2018 by dojozen because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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The thing is, whether something is right or wrong, you have to fix it one step at a time.

Slavery in the USA had a similar process. The public first had to come to terms with the fact that:

A: It was wrong to keep slaves.

B: They were keeping slaves even though it was wrong.

After that, they could begin to address the problem.

America today will need to come to terms with that fact that:

A: It is wrong to have a Monroe doctrine. (Many Americans won't agree with that point immediately. It will require discussion.)

B: We have a Monroe doctrine even though it is wrong.

From there, it probably won't take long to fix.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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edit on 28-11-2018 by bloodymarvelous because: Repeating myself too much. ---



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

The Monroe Doctrine started out (as many things do) as a good thing. The US only refused to allow European nations to nation-build in the Americas. The problem has been the reinterpretations, such as the Roosevelt Corollary. These turned the original doctrine of protecting the Americas from foreign colonization into a doctrine of having some sort of right to interfere ourselves in other nations.

This example is a perfect example of why over-interpreting the Constitution is a bad thing. Over time, it might get the meaning that the government can abolish human rights, instead of being a document that prevents the government from infringing on rights.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: dojozen

Tell that to the boat people.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 02:37 PM
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edit on 28-11-2018 by NarcolepticBuddha because: later



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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Part of the problem is the self righteous attitude exhibited by Hispanic immigrants over the last few decades. It's the first immigration wave in US history that insisted upon being allowed to retain it's language.

polish immigrants didn't insist on being spoken to in polish. Italian immigrNts didn't insist on being spoken to in Italian.

That kind of disay of disrespect will have a tendency to make the people feel a bit of apathy toward events happening in the lands those immigrNts originate from. It shapes attitudes.



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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You would think, would be sidewalk sale of gas masks and all those getting funding from Soros and DHS would have gas masks and maybe some trash can lid shields or something to defend their entry and access?



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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Doesn't seem sensible to me for a person who wants to get across the border to throw rocks and therefore give a (political) excuse for authorities to use gas to repel them back. Something doesn't add up in this story.

Perhaps those who are throwing rocks, are not the same ones that want to get across the border, even though they move alongside them? Seeing that what they are doing plays right into the cards of those who want to use gas to repel the real immigrants.

It makes one wonder what is truly motivating these rock-throwers to do that which is in the best interest of team Trump or those who are against immigration (i.e. those who don't want the 'real immigrants'* in the US). Could be just a coincidence of course, a combination or coming together of circumstances.

*: for lack of a better terminology for differentiating between the 2 types, those throwing rocks and those who actually want to cross the border, or are at least not acting counterproductively to that desire or goal.

Then again, in the video I saw (linked in the OP) I saw 1 person throwing a rock seemingly after I heard a gas cannister shot, so the other way around as told in the news report linked in the OP (and it seemed that rock wasn't thrown very far cause it was rather big, it seemed to be more of a gesture or reflexive action to hearing a shot for that person, with no real intent to hit the one or ones shooting gas cannisters; allthough the other video seems to suggest that some Mexican border patrol officers might have been in range, it's unclear from the video who was shooting gas cannisters but I guess we can consider the official statements for that as being accurate).

The first (or should I say "last") 2 comments on the page linked in the OP are rather ridiculous to the point of almost being funny though:

T-III

Clearly the mob is being directed by agitators -the video speaks for itself. This is an invasion charge; it's legitimate to repel it AS NEEDED.

qazwiz

typical ISIS behavior. use kids to cover illegal activity

Uhm, 1 guy throwing a rock in response to someone shooting a gas cannister at what he considers his pals (or at least those with the same plight) qualifies as an "invasion charge"? I don't think that's what an invasion charge looks like, nor what an invasion looks like. The whole word "invasion" simply doesn't apply here. In the field of propaganda this is what's called using loaded language.

Hatred is a strong emotion exploited by propagandists. Loaded language is particularly effective in triggering it. There seems to be a nearly endless supply of nasty words that promote and exploit hatred toward particular racial, ethnic, or religious groups.
...
How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls “profitless talkers” and “deceivers of the mind”? (Titus 1:10) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this.

Be selective: ...

Use discernment: ...

Put information to the test: ...

Ask questions:
As we have seen, there are many today who would like to ‘delude us with persuasive arguments.’ (Colossians 2:4) Therefore, when we are presented with persuasive arguments, we should ask questions.

First, examine whether there is bias. What is the motive for the message? If the message is rife with name-calling and loaded words, why is that? Loaded language aside, what are the merits of the message itself? Also, if possible, try to check the track record of those speaking. Are they known to speak the truth? If “authorities” are used, who or what are they? Why should you regard this person—or organization or publication—as having expert knowledge or trustworthy information on the subject in question? If you sense some appeal to emotions, ask yourself, ‘When viewed dispassionately, what are the merits of the message?’

Source: "The Manipulation of Information" and "Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda!" (Awake!—2000)

And ISIS are not rock-throwers, their weapons of choice often include American made weaponry that has been delivered to their area of operation at the expense of taxpayers in the West (primarily the US but others contribute as well to the formerly called "War on Terror" or various fights for freedom, i.e. freedom fighters). The person who made that comment about "typical ISIS behavior" would have been better off bringing up angry Palestinian youths (even though the situation is still rather different and there's still not really a good point there). I understand the comment wasn't about the rock-throwing per sé but about using kids as human shields, but still, the situation is too different to be using the term "typical ISIS behaviour".
edit on 30-11-2018 by whereislogic because: (no reason given)



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