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More people arrested in the UK over......a Joke.

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posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Scottish law has been different from about 1707, way before devolution.

Scots Law - Wiki




posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: sapien82
Sorry mate, carpy is correct, you guys make up all your own laws under your own separate legal system, and have done for hundreds of years. Anything wrong legally in Scotland is the fault of Scottish people...nothing to do with the rest of the UK.



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Try telling that to Krankie Sturgeon and the SNP.....



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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Pmsl!

They are just lying to the Scottish people half the time, blame England for everything even though more money per capita is spent on Scottish people, and they can set their own laws/policies to spend it.
I'm sick of the whining by the SNP, leave the UK then, do your own thing in the EU, I wouldn't care anymore, Britain would survive well enough without Scotland.



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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you are suggesting that there are vast differences between our hate speech laws ?

"Since the Union with England Act 1707, Scotland has shared a legislature with England and Wales. Scotland retained a fundamentally different legal system from that south of the border, but the Union exerted English influence upon Scots law"

I cant see any as they both derived from the Public Order act 1986

we just have a framework in place for independent review of the hate speech laws which opens up consultation for new legislation , but the fact is that people can still be locked up for hate speech as determined by a legal system that uses subjective states of consciousness in place of objective fact in both England and Scotland .

There was no such thing as hate speech in 1707 , as plenty of us would be in jail for uttering the phrase sassenach!


Honestly mate your back at it again saying im moaning about England , but im not im saying our collective governments are using logical fallacy in our judicial systems , im not blaming england for anything , you're just at it again with your divisive pish!


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posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:12 AM
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Tests for hate speech are always going to have to be subjective. How can they be objective? Even murder can have a subjective element.



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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If someone was giving me hate speech I'd tell him to # off or I'll bang your #ing face in, and if he continued I'd be fighting. That's how I roll in real life and pretty much everyone I know is the same. It's how my society functions, fear of violence if you become a prick. So don't be a prick.

If someone is a prick online and get some 1 month jail time or whatever I don't give a #...if matey with the nazi dog did in front of a Jew I'd expect the Jew to react the same, 'stop or I'll knock you out you #ing prick'.
Free speech my arse, I've never fallen foul of the law because I'm generally not a prick to people.
...but when I am I'm basically asking for a fight.



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

But how can offense be proven in court, its hearsay



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: sapien82
If someone was giving me hate speech I'd tell him to # off or I'll bang your #ing face in, and if he continued I'd be fighting. That's how I roll in real life and pretty much everyone I know is the same. It's how my society functions, fear of violence if you become a prick. So don't be a prick.

If someone is a prick online and get some 1 month jail time or whatever I don't give a #...if matey with the nazi dog did in front of a Jew I'd expect the Jew to react the same, 'stop or I'll knock you out you #ing prick'.
Free speech my arse, I've never fallen foul of the law because I'm generally not a prick to people.
...but when I am I'm basically asking for a fight.



Watch out folks, we got a tough guy over here.

You hurt my feels with your words, lol.



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: sapien82
If someone was giving me hate speech I'd tell him to # off or I'll bang your #ing face in, and if he continued I'd be fighting. That's how I roll in real life and pretty much everyone I know is the same. It's how my society functions, fear of violence if you become a prick. So don't be a prick.

If someone is a prick online and get some 1 month jail time or whatever I don't give a #...if matey with the nazi dog did in front of a Jew I'd expect the Jew to react the same, 'stop or I'll knock you out you #ing prick'.
Free speech my arse, I've never fallen foul of the law because I'm generally not a prick to people.
...but when I am I'm basically asking for a fight.



Watch out folks, we got a tough guy over here.

You hurt my feels with your words, lol.
Oh behave lol, I'm just saying it as it is for me, no bravado just honesty, I have the scars on my face to prove it...I'll never be abused and bend down for anyone, I'd rather lose the fight.
...it is how my society is here, we aren't like London all carrying knives, we aren't like the US with easy gun access, so generally it is fists when someone is being a prick.
Being a prick is basically asking for a fight in my parts...nothing about being a tough guy but how my society functions.

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My point was more about if the law thinks someone has been a prick online and gives them a lame fine, or a couple of weeks in jail, then I don't care because if they'd had the guts to commit whatever insulting thing they did in public they probably would have got a beating.
edit on 13-11-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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Course it can. And - "Hearsay" does not mean what you think it means:

Hearsay - Wiki



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:00 AM
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The way I interpret the law in England and Wales is basically don't be a prick because someone will either want to punch me in the face or make a complaint to the police. It ain't oppression in my opinion, it's just not being a prick.
I don't actually care about the law, I'm just not a prick to other people because I like my teeth, my implants cost a fortune lol.



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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Two things. Hate speech laws in England and Wales are broadly similar in Scotland. While Scotland has its own judiciary and odd quirks there is a great deal of alignment with the rest of the UK.

Nazi dog and all that. This is the summary of the court hearing made in a Scottish court and referencing a pan-UK piece of legislation, aka the Communications Act 2003, within which the case was heard. Mark Meechan was not prosecuted for a hate crime.

If you read details of the case you can see it was a bit more than "just a bit of fun". It was offensive and anti-Semitic and Meechan got what he deserved in the form of a fine and not a custodial sentence.

This is the relevant section of the Act Legislation UK

EDIT to add... This is the CPS Guide to Hate Crime which is quite informative.
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