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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Whoisjohngalt
Because state's rights gives each state the right to determine how those rights apply to convicted criminals. Because business owners have the right to chose who they hire and what they pay, according to local law. I know of no state which allows criminals to be paid less than other employees because of their criminal history.
Thats a federal law that says felons cant own guns. Nothing to do with states rights.
According to the National Rifle Association's lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Washington ban felons from possessing firearms. Florida and Idaho bar felons from guns unless their rights are restored. Oregon and New York do, too, but Oregon exempts certain offenses, whereas New York adds others to the list [source: NRA-ILA].
Why? You brought it up.
Off topic though.
True. It is illegal to discriminate based race, color, gender, religion, age, disability, or national origin.
Also business cant really choose who they hire. If they exclude someone based on any one of a number of arbitrary designations, they will find themselves in court.
originally posted by: rickymouse
That bill was going to allow people to open carry without a training course or license. It also stopped appropriate background checks on people. That bill was not actually a good bill, we need some control over who can carry in public or we will have mass chaos in the streets and country. I am not for having people brandishing a gun in public and intimidating others or making them fearful. Getting a reconciled weapon permit if eligible is all right, at least you are not tossing fear around when people can't see it. We have a decent law here in Michigan. In towns you have local ordinances for guns out in public. I think that is appropriate. If anyone could carry a gun out in the city, people would be packing all the time and those guns would create some people to fear leaving their homes. That is not right either.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
Been to gun shows across Oklahoma and Florida every one required background checks.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Subaeruginosa
How is sharing personal experience denying facts.
originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
Except that there are plenty of states that allow open carry without a permit, and they haven't devolved into the thunderdome yet. And plenty of states allow for permitless concealed carry, and have large cities with less gun violence than Chicago or New York which have insane gun control gun. Look, as a preference i like carrying concealed over open carry. It doesnt make the carrier a target, and no one knows they have a gun until they WANT someone to know. But that not my place to mandate how people carry. Where im from, you need to have some sort of threat against you in order to get a carry permit, and that is ridiculous because any criminal or crazy person isnt going to pay $400 and go to a police station to fill out paperwork to carry a gun to aid in their crimes. They are just going to put the gun in their pocket and go outside. That puts all of their victims at a disadvantage. And thats not right, telling good law abiding people that they need to be victims.
As for people fearing guns... well.... there is no where in the constitution that says you have the right not to be afraid. Honestly, an attacker has the advantage no matter what weapon they have. A guy walking past you could make a sharp u turn and stick a long piece of metal right in your kidneys or slit your throat, and theres very little you could do about it unless you where prepared to deal with it. That idea that someone open carrying is a bigger threat to you than the person without one is an illusion.
originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: rickymouse
Also people still have to go through background checks to buy guns at a store if that bill would have passed.