reply to post by jeepin4x4girl
Debunked? Hardly. For omne thing this conjecture fails to answer any of these ourstanding questions on the matter...
If the debris originated from a top-secret test, why was there no recovery or search operation underway until rancher Mac Brazel reported the debris
to Sheriff George Wilcox one day after the find on Sunday, July 6? An aerial search over open range and high desert would have taken but a few hours
to locate any downed object. This has been confirmed by retired military officers, who were involved in actual search-and-rescue missions in New
Mexico. We, too, have flown private planes over the Brazel site demonstrating the panoramic field of vision. Given that the debris field was
three-quarters of a mile long, a search and recovery team could have located it long before Brazel did.
Weather balloons had fallen onto Brazel’s ranch on a number of occasions, and he turned them in for the rewards offered. Such devices always carried
instructions and return policies which usually included the name of the manufacturer and location of the launch site. In 1945, he reported finding the
remains of a Japanese balloon bomb. This time, however, he reportedly was angry because of the large amount of debris. His frightened sheep would not
cross the pasture due to the vast coverage of the material. It is interesting to note that weather balloons are still dropping on the ranch. The
current owners store them in an old feed storage silo. One particularly large balloon, about 20 feet in diameter, took one man approximately two
minutes to retrieve. He had no trouble identifying it.
After personally examining samples of the material, why did Brazel’s neighbors encourage him to report the crash for the $3,000 reward reported by
the press for physical evidence of a flying disc and not for the standard $5 balloon reward?
How did the highly trained and experienced military officers of the famous 509th atomic bomb wing, the first and only nuclear strike force in the
world at that time, mistake a conventional weather instrument for an object they all, without exception, concluded to be an actual “flying
saucer?” Skeptics who believe that it was a special radar-reflecting balloon from Project Mogul have said that the civilians, the base commander,
Col. William Blanchard, the head of intelligence, Marcel, and all the other officers at Roswell were unfamiliar with such specialized equipment.
Marcel, however, had a radar interpretation officer assigned to his office. He would have been able to recognize the balloon, even if the others were
fooled. Even considering Mogul, balloon materials consisting of Neoprene rubber, reflective foil, wooden sticks, masking tape, and balling twine still
comprised such a device—materials easily identifiable by even a child.
What type of balloon and instrument package could scatter debris over an area three-quarters of a mile long and create a 500-foot long/10-foot wide
gouge in the tough high desert country of New Mexico which consists of little topsoil and mostly shale and slate stone?
What type of balloon would fill Marcel’s 1942 Buick convertible, and Cavitt’s jeep carryall truck and still require 50 to 60 troops with
wheelbarrows and trucks two days to complete the cleanup?
Why did the military check the site for possible radiation if the downed object was nothing more than a common weather/Mogul balloon? After he was
found at the home of Walt Whitmore Sr., majority owner of radio station KGFL in Roswell, on the morning of Tuesday, July 8, why was Brazel held in
detention at the base for another seven days? According to Brazel, he was not allowed to place any outside calls, not even to his wife. He was also
forced to undergo a physical examination. His family and neighbors remember how he later complained how he had been asked the same questions “over
and over again,” and that he described the experience by saying he “was in jail.”
Why did the Secretary of the Federal Communications Commission, a Mr. Slowie in Washington, D.C., personally call Whitmore at KGFL and threaten
removal of his broadcasting license if the station continued airing reports of the incident? Why would the chair of the Senate Appropriations
Committee, Senator Dennis Chavez of New Mexico, also call Whitmore and persuade him to comply with the FCC order? *
Why the need for extreme security measures at the crash site of a downed meteorological instrument? Measures such as: armed guards surrounding the
inner gouge area, another cordon around the perimeter, riflemen posted on the surrounding hills, and MPs stationed on the outlying roads from
Saturday, July 5, through at least Thursday, the 10th.
Why was Bud Payne, a hired hand on one of the neighboring ranches, physically removed from the Brazel ranch during the military occupation of the
site? As Payne was attempting to round up a stray cow, a military jeep roared up to him and MPs physically forced him off the ranch.
Why were there seven confirmed (possibly eight) flights to transport the remains of a balloon? Most of the wreckage was flown out under high security
July 5–10 . . . rather extreme treatment even within the confines of the top security base in the world at that time.
If the object was nothing more than a weather balloon, or even a Project Mogul device, why would Colonel Blanchard set up operations at the recovery
site? As the commanding officer of the 509th Bomb Group, Blanchard would have had more important duties.
Why was farmer Sherman Campbell and the local sheriff in Circleville, Ohio, able to immediately identify the Rawin (Mogul) target device that crashed
there on July 5, while no one in Roswell could? In fact, the Campbell family was even permitted to keep the balloon the Air Force currently claims was
Why was the debris of a weather balloon, as identified by Warrant Officer Irving Newton, displayed in Brigadier General Roger Ramey’s office
different from that of a Mogul balloon device? The new Air Force theory describes painted floral symbols on masking tape used to reinforce the radar
kite in an effort to explain hieroglyphic-like characters on I-beam structures as portrayed by witnesses. Even under high magnification none are
evident in the photographs taken in Ramey’s office at Fort Worth (Carswell) Army Air Field in Texas.
Why did Ramey’s Chief of Staff Colonel Thomas J. DuBose (who is pictured with Ramey in two of the weather balloon photos) sign a sworn affidavit in
1990 attesting to switching the balloon wreckage for the genuine material? “It was a cover story . . . to get the press off of Ramey’s back.”
Contrary to Ramey announcing to reporters the weather balloon explanation along with his cancellation of debris being flown to Wright Field in Dayton,
Ohio, why did the FBI refute the General’s claims in a telex which was sent at 6:17 p.m. CST the same day of the press conference on July 8?
“...But that telephonic conversation between their office and [Wright Field] had not borne out this belief. Disc and balloon being transported to
Wright Field by special plane for examination.”
Why did a special photo team from Washington, D.C., under the command of Col. Anton Hansen, arrive at Roswell to photograph the recovery and record
the subsequent events? Against standard operating procedure, the 3rd Photo Lab at the Roswell base was never called in to photograph the crash site or
Why were two Secret Service agents by the names McCann and Devinnes dispatched from Washington to represent the president in Roswell during the
Why were there unknown doctors and nurses observed at the Roswell base hospital at the time of the incident as noted by nurse Rosemary McMannis?
If the recovery was of nothing more unusual that a Mogul balloon, photographed in Ramey’s office by the news media on July 8, why did the military,
on July 9, tour the various news media in Roswell retrieving copies of Walter Haut’s press release? If there was nothing to the story, why did the
military search radio station KGFL, taking everything that related to the crash, including the documents that newsman Frank Joyce tried to hide?
Why did the U.S. military, like a scene from a 1950’s sci-fi movie, surround the Roswell Sheriff s Office just to retrieve a small box of debris
that Brazel had left there days earlier?
Why did the Pentagon contact Muroc (Edwards) Army Air Field in California inquiring as to any missing Northrop flying wings within days of the crash
north of Roswell? Muroc responded “negative.” Due to jet engine conversion, none were operational in 1947. Eyewitnesses reported the recovered
craft at Roswell was wing-shaped, not saucer.
There was reportedly talk at the base during the recovery concerning “bodies” involved in the crash. Rumors circulated through the town of Roswell
about one of the crew still alive. One day after the first press release, the Army and Navy, as reported by the Associated Press, moved to “Shut
down the rumors.” The Air Force now maintains that no such “talk” concerning bodies took place. Why?
Secrecy oaths would not have been required for the recovery of a weather balloon, or any other conventional device, unless it was a highly classified
subject. Why were the men involved taken into a conference room in groups of 10–12 and verbally sworn to protect the truth concerning what actually
happened? Others at Roswell and Fort Worth were ordered not to discuss it, or ever bring it up again.
Ed Reese, in charge of the now declassified Project Blue Book files at the National Archives, told us that he too was surprised that Roswell is not
included in the Blue Book system with all other explained reports. Why is the most highly publicized UFO case of all time strangely absent?
Neighbors of Mac Brazel, including Loretta Proctor and her son Norris, reported that Brazel returned from his detention driving a new pick-up truck.
According to Norris Proctor, Brazel, who had been “dirt poor,” suddenly had money to buy a new house in Tularosa, a meat locker in Las Cruces, and
property in Colorado. Robert Wolf, also a good friend of Brazel, recounted how he observed him with a new truck at the Mitchell Feed and Granary in
Roswell within months of the incident. Was Brazel paid the reward for the physical evidence of a flying saucer?
The daughter of Melvin Brown reported that her father, who had seen the bodies the day they were recovered, along with the MPs at the crash site, were
paid off. She said that a special trust account was established in Roswell for the guards. Why would there be payoffs to maintain secrecy of a weather
balloon? A handwritten note with the account number was supplied by Brown just days before he died. Attempts to locate such a fund have been
There are two, possibly three sites involved with the crash at Roswell. First is the debris field. Thirty miles to the southeast where the remains of
the craft and crew were located is the second. A few miles to the northwest of the debris site was apparently a touchdown point of baked soil and
fused sand which was first seen by Chaves County deputies and then by Lewis R. Rickett and Dr. Lincoln LaPaz. How is it possible that a balloon and
array train could be responsible for sites such as these?
Pieces of small wreckage Brazel’s son Bill Jr. had managed to collect were confiscated by the military in 1949. Why was the military still
monitoring the situation two years later? This was almost two years after Mogul had been declassified. Why were search teams still dispatched from the
base at Roswell through the end of 1947, through 1948, and into 1949 to recover remaining debris at the sites specifically after heavy rainfalls as
described by Major Charles McGee?
If the Roswell device was nothing more than a weather balloon, why bring in LaPaz, a noted expert in the discovery and recovery of meteorites? LaPaz
had worked on dozens of classified government projects, including the ultra-classified Manhattan Project. If it was nothing more unusual than a
balloon, why would the Pentagon assign him to determine the speed and trajectory of the downed device two months after the crash?
In 1952, Major Ellis Boldra, an engineer stationed at Roswell, discovered a one-foot-square section of debris locked in a safe in the engineering
office. It displayed the same extraordinary characteristics described by 1947 witnesses including the memory capabilities. Why did Washington D.C.
dispatch a special courier to retrieve the material immediately after news leaked out about its discovery in Roswell?
At our request, retired Navy Seal officer Charles Mascovich submitted the names and documented series numbers of over two dozen military personnel
stationed at Roswell in July 1947 to both the Defense Department and the Veteran’s Administration for further confirmation of military service. The
list included Charles E. Hanshaw, James W. Hundley, William J. Cardell, Lee J. Mulliner, Melvin E. Brown, Ernest O. Powell, Clyde M. Robertson, Cecil
T. Yoakum, Harold T. Hastings, Edward M. Sager, and Donald E. Carroll. Why does neither the Defense Department nor the Veteran’s Administration have
records of any of these men when we can document that each served at the Roswell Army Air Field?
If there was nothing to the Roswell case other than a misidentification of a weather balloon, why have witnesses, on their deathbeds, denied that?
Melvin E. Brown spent the last four days of his life telling his family that it wasn’t a weather balloon. Why was the dying archaeologist/geologist
at St. Petersburg Hospital in Florida telling the nurses she had seen the bodies and then warning them about government reprisal? Roswell base Provost
Marshal Edwin Easley, base Adjutant Patrick Saunders, and 393 Squadron pilot O.W. “Pappy” Henderson also gave deathbed testimony confirming the
“flying saucer” crash and the recovery of bodies. And there are others more recent.
The unusual qualities of the material described to date by two dozen known eyewitnesses are consistent in every detail. In appearance, tensile
strength, apparent weightlessness, memory characteristics, uninterpretable symbology, fiber-optic and plastic-like, metallic composition, its physical
make-up would be difficult to duplicate even by today’s standards. Why do none of the first-hand witnesses describe common materials from a weather
balloon? And more importantly, why were none of these individuals interviewed by the Air Force for their 1994 Roswell Report?
In an unprecedented reaction by then Secretary of Defense Les Aspin, why did he refuse to respond to three separate letters of request for the release
of the Roswell files from Congressman Steve Shiff of New Mexico in 1993? Why did Congressman Shiff also receive denials from the Air Force, the
Pentagon, and the National Security Council for similar requests?
And if Mogul was as highly classified as the Air Force maintains, which evidently led to the misidentification in Roswell, how is it that they invited
the press to photograph this missing, top-secret balloon in Ramey’s office and promote the publication of seven different pictures in practically
every major newspaper throughout the country? And why would they blow the entire project (with pictures) in the Alamogordo News of July 10, 1947?
Concerning the 1997 Air Force book titled Roswell Report—Case Closed that proposed the “crash dummy” explanation, given that the very earliest
such tests took place six years after the 1947 incident, why didn’t the Air Force consider that none of the first-hand witnesses to the bodies
remained in the service or were still in New Mexico at the time of such crash-dummy tests?
Each description of the bodies by the witnesses from Roswell is consistent. Interestingly, they do not resemble what have been commonly described by
witnesses in reported UFO occupant cases as well as the alleged abduction accounts. This would tend to rule out contamination from such sources. And
why were none of these witnesses ever interviewed by the Air Force for any of their recent reports?
Why would the United States military resort to gross civil-rights violations, i.e., physical intimidation and death threats to such civilians
asFrankie Rowe, Tommy Thomson, Frank Joyce, Judd Roberts, Walt Whitmore Sr., Pete and Ruben Anaya, John McBoyle, and George Wilcox? And why were their
threats extended to even the witness’s children to insure their silence about the recovery of simply a weather balloon? Project Mogul was
declassified within two days of the reported balloon explanation on July 10, 1947; still the threats continued for years after the incident.
And finally, why do retired members of the military today in 1999, years after the Air Force Project Mogul and Crash Dummy Reports, still refuse to
break their oaths of secrecy concerning the Roswell incident?