My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018

a reply to: Springer

Ugh. I will never do another ouija Board as long as I live.

I can’t imagine that ending well...

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Springer

Ugh. I will never do another ouija Board as long as I live.

I can’t imagine that ending well...

I'm curious, what's the story on that?

I have read many times over a few decades that a homemade Ouija board made of cardboard or even paper will work just as well.

Frankly, I don't think this is something one should mess with.

Ditto on the ouji board.

I did it just once when I was 12.

Those things attract some seriously nasty shid.

I don't even want to talk about it.

Kev

I'm curious because I had one as a kid and nothing happened, except lots of giggling. As a young adult I did meditation for a while and got into these things. Even tried using one by myself multiple times, nada.

I've been a paranormal investigator for years, but we never used one because it just seemed silly. But I keep hearing stories about them where people did have stuff happen, and not from scared teenagers either.

a reply to: vlawde

You might be one of the rare paranormal researchers who has no link whatsoever
to the paranormal.

I consider that a gift.

That means you can cultivate your rational mind, without getting overwhelmed
with confusing impulses.

It took me most of my life to become stable.. and you were born stable out of
the box apparently.

a reply to: Macenroe82

I did check my PMs. I'll let you know if I hear anything.

a reply to: olaru12

No he won't... He's not needed either.

originally posted by: vlawde

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Springer

Ugh. I will never do another ouija Board as long as I live.

I can’t imagine that ending well...

I'm curious, what's the story on that?

I don’t want to derail the thread and it’s personal in nature. Let’s just say something weird and not good that makes me extremely leery of that sort of thing. Bad juju. Other people don’t have issues with it though.

I think of it as opening a window and it’s potluck whatever comes through - you might get something banal or silly, or you might get something sticky, icky and nasty. And it might not want to go away. I At SWR, Who knows???

a reply to: AboveBoard

Right?!

My theory is nothing wants anything to do with me so, I don't worry about it much, my mind is a scary place for the uninitiated and the already dead I suspect...

But, all that bravado aside, after spending three days and two nights on the ranch I'm OK with the fact we didn't have a Ouija board there.

Bump . . .

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: vlawde

You might be one of the rare paranormal researchers who has no link whatsoever
to the paranormal.

I consider that a gift.

That means you can cultivate your rational mind, without getting overwhelmed
with confusing impulses.

It took me most of my life to become stable.. and you were born stable out of
the box apparently.

Well, stable is a relative term!

But you're pretty spot on, although I've seen and heard some things paranormal-wise, it does feel like I may be 'blocked' from it. Actually more like I'm being protected. Years ago I had a girlfriend who had technically died during an operation, and was able to have OOBE's when she wanted. I wanted her to try and come to me while 'out' and see if she could ask me a question that I felt the answer was being kept from me subconsciously, plus I wanted to try to have an OOBE.

She tried one night while I was sleeping, tried to communicate with me and a firm voice...not my own, said 'LEAVE HIM ALONE!".

I'd love to go to SWR (or anywhere) and have an experience more solid that EVP's and light flashes and even partial apparitions. The fact is has basically all paranormal things in one spot make me think if it's mysteries can be solved, we'd understand UFO's, ghosts, cryptids etc. That's assuming it's not a military mind**** experiment

a reply to: vlawde

Everybody/everything has a personal agenda.

Even in a large group, with group goals, group leadership, and group funding,
even when it's the government or military (to a lesser degree), you'll have
10 people and 11 goals.

I'm certain there was significant psychological testing going on at the Bigelow
SWR, on the other hand Mr. Bigelow appeared to be digging too.. and of course
there was supposedly paranormal stuff occurring.

Then you have the "paranormal itself".

If it's truly sentient, and it certainly appears to be.. it has goals too.

One of the primary goals, world-wide, is to lie to us, and let nothing usable
be revealed about itself.

That makes it hard to research.

Even if you get it on camera say.. or scan it with a magnetometer or
fancy equipment .. you will get exactly nothing, or exactly what it
wants you to get.

Which has no connection with anything useful in most cases.

Add on top of that, that it nearly always filters through both our
individual and group minds, and that really obscures things.

One of the primary things I've noted.. is that it acts much like
most human beings.. at least religious human beings.

You see, a large number of human beings believe in their god,
their religion, and their soul so deeply.. that if you try and
wean them from those delusions, they get extremely hostile.
So what they do, is build an active defense of bull #, many
layers deep, to keep you away from their delusions.. because
if for one moment they have a clear thought, all their delusions
might go away, and their entire sense of self might evaporate
in a flash.

in the eastern traditions this is called "enlightenment" and is
considered a wonderful thing. But the west doesn't have
systems like that.. so you get upset people waving guns
at you instead. Probably better to leave them be..

But I digress slightly.

What people don't know.. is that the "negative form" of
the Phenomenon has the same issue. It wants to believe
that it's all-powerful.. it has all these delusions of
grandeur.. in large part create by humans... as humans
give "evil" so much power.

So anyway.. the SWR type paranormal is most likely
just the common "feathered frog-lizard" type that
shamans have seen for millenia. They can put up
quite a fuss.. but they are absolutely terrified to
have their real identity revealed.. and will do almost
ANYTHING to keep people terrorized and off balance
away from their dirty secret that they are almost
nothing at all.

Another thing that they love to do, as they have
so little power themselves, is that they love
to nest in humans, if you give them a chance..
and use your body as a base of operations to
generate even more power in the physical
world.. horny teenagers are a favorite, as those
hormones flaring up cross the blood brain barrier
and then that gives them access to brains..
which gives them more capabilities.

If they can entrain a whole group of humans,
that's even better.. then by co-opting various
human systems, they can mainfest all manner
of terrifying stuff.

They would love to co-opt BOL/plasma too,
but that's beyond the skill of these smallest
guys in most cases.

Well anyway.. just some observations from my
50 some years dealing with them... you of course
shouldn't believe one world that I said, as i prob
can't prove it... but it might not hurt to keep
the possibilities explored with these words
in your mind, as a tool for further exploration.

Kev

a reply to: Springer

Sounds good!

hey springer,

I'm interested in your opinion on the breakdown of the reported phenomena at skinwalker ranch and to what in your opinion each may actually be or likely to be. i.e. what's your opinion on what the reported phenonena actually are.

according to what I can find on the internet they break down into a few catagories.

orbs of light of various sized and demeanor.

the spotlight or invisible floating car headlights.

the male voices that sound like they are talking through electronic means.

hallucinations of giant wolves, shadow men and even giant slug or worm like creatures.

mini drones and stealth like aircraft.

ufos in the shape of triangles and or elliptical shaped glowing craft reminiscent of avacado or football like shapes.

the porthole.



some of the phenomena, to me, sound like military experiments with lasers and plasma blooms. a few weeks ago a member put up a thread about using lasers to talk. in the article the thread was about they discussed how IR lasers when crossed can cause a ball of plasma to bloom like an orb. when formed correctly they could make the plasma recreate voices and sounds. the sounds and voices had a distinctly robotic or mechanical sound to them as if coming through a walkie talki or some other device. could the orbs. sensations of fear (infrasound ) and voices be experiments with this sort of technology.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Certainly worth asking the question.

But I wonder where the banks of IR lasers would be mounted
over the many years that the phenomenon has supposedly
been happening there.

Long Distance IR Lasers

Just off the shelf, it looks like 3 kilometers might be possible.. assuming a from above elevation
down into the ranch in all likelyhood.

But I'd also have to presume that the (Springer correct me if I'm wrong), large banks of
IR sensors you spoke about, would spot such a thing in a country second.

As BP knows, I'm not adverse to a completely technical answer.. if that is where the fact lead.

In fact my own theories involved (originally) quantum AI intelligences which evolved..
so even my "supernatural" theories are not actually "Supernatural".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If it's truly sentient, and it certainly appears to be.. it has goals too.

My experiences point to "them" some are demons and some are angels, some are clowns and some are [for want of a better word] mechanical.

a reply to: olaru12

The trickster effect assumes whatever forms we believe in.

Why people invented demons when they didn't originally exist, is unfortunate.

The only reason I discuss the frog/lizard/feathered form, is that appears to be
their residual self-image, back from when they were organic.

That's one of the most important secrets of all time.. nearly all of these
'energy beings' started as organic.

In a manner of speaking, they evolved from us and beings like us elsewhere..

so as a matter of fact, "we are like their gods and creators".

If you remind one of them of this fact, it freaks them the F out, as hardly
anyone alive knows this..

It's like a sawed-off shotgun blast between their eyes...

Kev

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: Jh1682

I actually suggested that very thing while we were there but, alas, nobody had one with.

I can say that that would have had to be one of the creepiest moments of my life had we done the Ouija at night in one of the old homesteads.

Would've been memorable I think, next time we're there I'll bring one.

Hi Springer,
Ouija boards really work, depending on the people working with them. Let me also tell you that if you dont know what your doing, it can end up very very bad. I strongly advise you not to use it without practice and at least reading some books about the subject. Specially in a place like the SWR you can damage yourself forever or worse.

I recomment to take a person(s) with you next time who can handle the powers to guide and protect you guys/explain wtf is going on the ranch.
Just being curious is not enough...you must be worthy and capable.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

so as a matter of fact, "we are like their gods and creators". If you remind one of them of this fact, it freaks them the F out, as hardly anyone alive knows this.. It's like a sawed-off shotgun blast between their eyes...

I wonder how this would work in a "exorcism" archetype/model? Sounds like a plan...

Had a Loa pulling some *hI# recently. Perhaps they need to be taught a lessorn!!!