NY Times wilfully ignorant

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

But their gunz make them feel all safe and warm.

Aww, do you have to pretend the gun owners are all pussies to make yourself feel better?

That's pathetic.

I am 55, and have made it to this age without ever needing a firearm to defend myself in the United States.

So yes, if you need a gun here you might want to put on a pink pussy hat, and March around Washington.

Anything you've never experienced doesn't happen enough for people to be justified in protecting themselves against?

When you use that logic it's totally acceptable but when these kids speak and protest people like you want to dismiss them and shut them up cause the odds or getting shot at school are like 10 billion to 1.
Hahahaha

I don't believe I ever brought up their odds of being shot at school. I wish it was zero. It is a fair point to make though that if the goal really is saving kids lives, it would be more logical to start with something that kills more kids, because school shootings are in fact statistically rare compared to other ways kids die.

But it's not actually about saving lives, so.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

A lot of people on Twitter. It's the #2 trending hashtag right now.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

Nobody.
Just like nobody said take away the guns

Rambo and Charlton have tunnel vision with this # though.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Sure guns used to mean cannon I believe? In Britain I think that's still the distinction.

At the same time, that's semantics. In common societal discourse guns means firearms.
a reply to: Gothmog

Uhh...no.

Sorry , let me expand on that.
The concept that I stated comes from US Military Basic Training and the DI having fun with soldiers that called their weapon a gun way back in my day when the DI didnt have to be as wishy-washy as today.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
The whole point is to prevent tyranny and be able to fight back. So, to answer your question, government.

I'm not taking a side in this debate. But liberals or gun control advocates have to engage that argument if they are serious. It's laid out by the framers of the Constitution.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

The government has atomic bombs. Tanks. Planes. What are you going to buy to stop that?

It is a weird way dream for some folks.

How are you going to fight your own government?

Not with a gun.

But with your voice, your vote, and your mind.

I have driven in an M-1 tank. You loose if you get in front of it.

Of course, which is what complicates this issue.

However, a logical fallacy is to say "well then no guns are necessary because you can't fight back anyways."

No, you fight back with your voice, your vote, and your brain. No need to get crazy and bomb buildings, shoot up schools or torture old women.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

Also about 20% of Democrats in a recent survey by The Economist said they'd like to see the 2nd repealed.

Source

Yes it's National Review, but the survey is linked right in the beginning of the article. The question is on page 65.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

Nobody.
Just like nobody said take away the guns

Rambo and Charlton have tunnel vision with this # though.

Get informed. You can start with
this post
and this post.

originally posted by: MisterSpock

DogStarIn1066:

Also, I am an authority, as I served in the forces that defended you and our way of life. A "thank you for your service " might be nice.

I thank you for your service.

I'm sorry you didn't/don't fully understand what you fought for. Maybe someday?

Maybe someday you will stop straw man arguements and give up on trying to read other folks minds.

Pretty presumptious, no?

a reply to: face23785

So surveys mean something and are credible again?

Oh that's right. When they support your beliefs then yes. If they go against your beliefs they're meaningless fake news bull#.

I remember now

a reply to: Krazysh0t

perhaps you should read the link from the op......

a reply to: face23785

I thought surveys were bull#?

That's what the right has been saying since the election

They're legit again?

a reply to: TinySickTears

lots here that dont actually read the threads they participate in ...

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: face23785

So surveys mean something and are credible again?

Oh that's right. When they support your beliefs then yes. If they go against your beliefs they're meaningless fake news bull#.

I remember now

Perhaps you could cite somewhere I said surveys aren't credible?

Nah, you just had to make that up because you can't refute what I posted.

Yes, people do want to repeal the 2nd, and it's not just one or two far left wackos. You're now informed. You can choose to accept that information, or you can be willfully ignorant. I have a hunch which one you'll choose.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

Also about 20% of Democrats in a recent survey by The Economist said they'd like to see the 2nd repealed.

Source

Yes it's National Review, but the survey is linked right in the beginning of the article. The question is on page 65.

So?

I didn't fill out the survey, you aren't talking to those Democrats (I'm not even a Democrat anyways), you are talking to me. I didn't say that. If you can't decouple your stereotypes when talking to someone then you are useless to a conversation.

I #ING hate when people stereotype my opinions against other liberals. If I didn't specifically say something then you best not be attributing that belief to me.

a reply to: face23785

Did I say you said it or did I ask a question?

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: Edumakated
I was an Army officer. An AR-15 pretty much does the same thing in semi as an M-16. Oh, and we never used a 16 on full auto. So, pretty much the same thing.

Try and keep up.

Appealing to authority does not make a factual argument. Doing practically the same thing IS NOT the same thing.

Just come out and say you guys want to ban all semi-auto firearms which is the implication.

Ok, sure.

Ban them.

No need for them from my point of view.

I shot two deer this fall with a bolt action.

No second shot with either. Why do I need semi? I know how to shoot.

Also, I am an authority, as I served in the forces that defended you and our way of life. A "thank you for your service " might be nice.

Or are you now in favor of disrespecting military officers?

So it is disrespect to point out the flaws in your argument? Your service in the military, while admirable, has zip to do with you making an informed or logical argument.

Appealing to authority is what people do when the facts aren't on their side. A math professor telling me 2+2 = 5 does not make 2+2 = 5.

By the way, thank you for your service.

Did not see you pointing any flaws.

But, we most likely agree more then disagree.

I have guns. Like to hunt. Have a shooting range in my priperty.

Have an AR-15.

Oh my.

What I am saying is that maybe it is time to rethink what weapons we allow to be easily sold in this country.

A conversation that can help.

I did react to you in an impolite manner.

No hard feelings.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agree with you

I get lumped in with the lemmings on Twitter and a #in geezer with an opinion

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

perhaps you should read the link from the op......

And where did I say I agreed with John Paul Stevens' opinion on guns exactly?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

Who said anything about repealing the 2nd?

Also about 20% of Democrats in a recent survey by The Economist said they'd like to see the 2nd repealed.

Source

Yes it's National Review, but the survey is linked right in the beginning of the article. The question is on page 65.

So?

I didn't fill out the survey, you aren't talking to those Democrats (I'm not even a Democrat anyways), you are talking to me. I didn't say that. If you can't decouple your stereotypes when talking to someone then you are useless to a conversation.

I #ING hate when people stereotype my opinions against other liberals. If I didn't specifically say something then you best not be attributing that belief to me.

Did I specifically say you said to repeal the 2nd? Apply your own standards here bud. I was merely pointing out there is a non-negligible number of people who do want to repeal it.

I #lNG hate when people don't follow their own standards.