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New Interpretation of Sacsayhuaman-Muyucmurca. Antecedent to Nazi Bell..? The All Seeing Eye..?

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posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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Almost all persons who have researched the mysteries of ancient megalithic building, what might be termed 'antediluvian architecture', comes across theories of a race of giants, perhaps the 'annunaki' space conquerors, the fallen watchers, and so on. The many tales surrounding these most ancient of mysteries often have key associations with the megalithic architecture which has remained & endured right down to modern times, through untold millennia of strife, empire building, ascending civilisations, decay & destruction all around - but these giant structures, or at least their foundations, remain, witness to a time which seems to remain strongly entangled with the human psyche, memories in dreams, a golden age, a great war...

Those folk who have researched in some depth these megalithic mysteries, have almost certainly come across the wonderfully intriguing site of Sacsayhuaman - a collection of rows of angular stone composite wall-like structures, which are literally enormous, and bizarrely complex, with stones having multiple angles & connective facias at a level of complexity bordering on the absurd..

General panoramas showing scale of Sacsayhuaman/ Muyucumurca..














Bird's eye view of Sacsayhuaman/ Muyucumurca site, from Google Earth:





Pre-excavation overhead view showing depth of sedimentation covering 'walls'..





Multi-angle & somewhat bizarre stonework (masonry came REALLY easy to the builders).




Another fascinating shot of the massively over-engineered (??) stone 'fortifications'..






Whenever I have viewed these structures, I have wondered just what on earth they were for. They seem built to protect something, and indeed are inevitably described by the mainstream as 'fortifications', defending a 'fortress'.. However, accompanying photographs very often seem to show little in the way of any wide angle context, in respect of what precisely is being protected. Indeed, in many books, and on many websites, the walls seem to be portrayed in bizarre isolation, as though there is nothing worthy of discussion in the immediate vicinity which may have been the object/ building/ viable 'landscape contour battle advantage' requiring fortification in the manner we are witnessing. The alleged 'fortress', when you search for it by name ('Muyucmurca') returns literally ZERO image results in Firefox/ Google. The walls therefore seem to stand in frosty isolation, with a few apparently crappy remnants of buildings nearby, essentially just ruined foundations which are nothing like as monumental as the walls of Sacsayhuaman itself. And - in the main - these accompanying buildings could well have been no more than outhouses & animal pens, for all the (lack of) information which the remains reveal of their former condition. Except in one case, as we shall see (though even that - the Muyucmurca foundation - is hardly referenced anywhere online, probably because the mainstream cannot contextualise it as a useful part of the overall site, which is clearly one functional system - but a system with fortifications which don't actually protect anything, which provide at best a truly minimal strategic advantage to persons occupying the buildings above!)

And indeed, it is this precise lack of grandeur in the accompanying foundational remnants of the buildings which once stood here, which has led to the entirety of alternative researchers' attentions being placed almost without exception on the 'fortifications' themselves, which are amazing structures indeed - but with no real focus point or emphasis concerning what on Earth they may have been built to protect (I contend they were never intended as standard purpose 'fortifications'..) The giant walls do not offer much of a disruption in the context of the wider landscape, in terms of preventing a direct assault on the structures behind them (attackers could come in from the sides, or from the rear of the complex, just as easily as they could from the front). And if they were intended to protect the wider complex of structures, why would such incredible fortifications only run along one side of the complex anyway? That engineer/ architect/ war planner would have been decommissioned without mercy during the first assault on the complex carried out by enemy invaders (doubtless laughing hysterically as they pillaged..)

It is my contention that the walls of Sacsayhuaman were NOT built as standard purpose fortifications - but to understand what they might have been, we need to take a few steps beyond/ behind the walls, to look at the barely-ever-mentioned archaeological site of 'Muyucmarca', which contains the evidence of a structure which gives away some hint of what the Sacsayhuaman walls were ACTUALLY built to accomplish, imho. And it's wild..

Intriguingly, as noted above, there is next to zero information listed with regards the Muyucmurca structures, and in particular, image results are not returned when searching its name in Firefox. Which goes to show that whatever it (Muyucmurca) is, the fact of its being 'protected' by the walls of Sacsayhuaman is mentioned by nobody, simply because its existence destroys the narrative of Sacsayhuaman 'fortifications'. The 'fortifications' most certainly do NOT protect Muyucmurca, and yet, it is to be inferred in the 'fortifications' narrative that this is the case. An embarrassment to the archaeologists, who cannot explain the function of the complex as a whole, but only its parts, and those weakly, to say the least (...'fortifications'...'temple'...yawn...) The entire complex of structures was obviously designed as a single feat of architectural endeavour, with a clear unity of purpose, with all parts thereof constructed concomitant to one another, albeit unexplained until now. So what are they?

You can see from the following images what Muyucmurca looks like, and how its site is positioned in relation to the wall-like features of Sacsayhuaman - and you get a sense of how the wall-like features of Sacsayhuaman were not likely constructed to simply offer protection to Muyucmurca..

Another look at sedimentation visible in pre-excavation view of Sacsayhuaman/ Muyucumurca.






Topography of Sacsayhuaman/ Muyucumurca site (NB - the more I review the images, the more I believe that the whole site may have been constructed, at least partially, of artificially elevated earthworks..)










Human perspective showing topographical context, the size of people in background at Muyucmurca, etc..






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posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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If the walls of Sacsayhuaman were constructed for protection purposes, then it is clear that the nested rotund structure in the heart of Muyucmurca is certainly the prime construction being protected. But if, as I contend, the walls were not simply built for protection (though almost undoubtedly it was a secondary, and perhaps important consideration, intended to enhance the overall defence & thereby continuing functionality of the site) - then what were the 'fortifications' primarily intended for?

To answer that question we need to delve into the world of modern high-end 'deep black' research projects, following a sojourn in Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia, where Hans Kammler & Co. were experimenting along the lines of the Sacsayhuaman/ Muyucmurca template, 'ex post facto' (We know the Nazis loved their archaeology..)

But first, we need to suspend our (possible) disbelief, and consider that perhaps, in ancient times, there were 'people' (sentient, civilised anthropoids) who were technologically advanced, thousands of years ago, beyond even what we ourselves are capable of at this present moment in history.




Indeed, I believe they were a de facto 'breakaway civilisation', who had arrived carrying their multi-function tools & energy production/ information storage devices in cases & on their persons, as lightweight but ultra-high tech equipment, all of which functioned at such high levels that no antecedent of their technological development 'tree' will ever be found on Earth. We will not find their wiring, because when they arrived their power was transmitted wirelessly. We will not find their silicone chips, because their data was stored in crystals. We will not find their computer monitors, because their visual displays were holographic. We will not find their libraries, because the compendium of their knowledge was part of a transportable technology, which had many functions in addition to data storage, which was known as a 'ME' (a word with no intelligible English translation) to those Sumerians who chronicled the life & work of their 'gods'. The only thing which remains of the technological breakaway civilisation is the architecture they erected, which was constructed (quite painfully) obviously with advanced technologies far in excess of our own capabilities - and they left these megalith remnants in many, many parts of the world - including Sacsayhuaman & Muyucmurca.

It is my contention that this breakaway civilisation utilised a philosophy of technology which embodied 'plug & play' principles; technology which was carried with them, which had great power to act upon the material world, had as many functions as possible crammed into the smallest possible mechanical/electronic operative space, and indeed was at such small scale that most of it could be worn as a simple-looking device on the wrist with analogue clock face markings, a handheld device in the shape we know as an 'Ankh', or carried as a small handbag-type item which had a small handle, for which we have no (publicly-known) information concerning its name or function. These items are seen in many Egyptian hieroglyphs & on Sumerian cylinder seals - a 'handbag' an 'Ankh' & a 'wristwatch', which have no (reasonable) logical explanation, other than they were a form of portable technology which was available only to the 'gods'. Other shapes/forms of their apparently technological devices exist here & there, but those three are the best known. To understand the dynamic principles concerning the multiplicity of functionality likely involved in their technology, you need only consider the way we ourselves cram a massive amount of functionality into our smartphones - using a 'bolt-on' system via our Apps...

It is necessary to labour the point (existence of technologically advanced 'gods' breakaway civilisation) somewhat, in order to generate the correct frame of reference for the next part of the discussion. Please bear with me for this next 'scene setting' paragraph, and feel free to disregard the specific 'religiosity' of my broad-stroke interpretations if you wish.. There's always more than one way to look at things.




I believe that there was, as noted, a sophisticated 'breakaway' civilisation of technologically advanced non-humans ('near-humans' perhaps) in ancient times, who left us a legacy in the form of gargantuan, yet intricate & highly varied, apparently purposeful 'megalithic' stone structures. I consider these 'Ancient Builders' to have been the Biblically-referenced 'Watchers' - an advanced race of semi-divine beings which had a custodial 'duty of care' towards fledgling Humanity. They broke from their sacred duty, as the story goes, & came down to Earth, corrupting themselves, and us, in the process.

They appear to have damaged our collective psyche, by providing reams of advanced knowledge which was not supposed to be shared at that time in our history, being instead 'the secrets of Heaven' according to the archangel known as Michael (as related in the Book of 1 Enoch). The overload of complex information & advanced concepts across myriad topics of interest & usefulness, plus a cultural & spiritual milieu which was [foreign to/ too complex for] early Mankind, led to the much maligned situation in which Humanity broke from what could be considered to have been an organic progressive technology & culture 'tree' (symbolism?) developmental trajectory, and ended up worshipping the Watchers as 'gods', erroneously getting their spiritual wires crossed in gross misunderstandings as a result - the consequences of which reverberate down to modern times. The rebel Watchers did little/ nothing to correct this state of affairs, instead enjoying their newfound status & the fealty they received from the human underlings..

The damage this did to our collective consciousness was monumental, and is appropriately referred to, I believe, as 'the Fall'. Some people believe that the perpetrators are still with us, in spirit or in flesh, or both variably, depending on whom you ask.




Having got that context in place, we can now move on to consider something in our more recent history, the details of which will combine with the context of 'the Watchers corollary' as described above, to offer a speculative answer to the question of what the giant megalopolitan walls of Sacsayhuaman were intended to accomplish/ protect at Muyucmurca, and why the whole unitarian complex was constructed in the first place.

We need to look at something which many of us will be familiar with due to its treatment in numerous conspiracy theories - the Nazi 'Bell' project.





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posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 09:29 PM
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One of the foremost researchers into the Nazi Bell project, is Dr Joseph P Farrell, a divinities scholar once tenured at Oxford University in England (one of the top five universities in the world) who ultimately turned his attention to the world of alternative research, following the development of an interest in the Giza pyramid complex. His theorising went into the realms of high energy physics & weaponry concepts as representative of the purpose of the Great Pyramid in particular.

Since his original 'Giza Death Star' trilogy of books, he's written an extraordinary series of books regarding the secretive & advanced scientific (& sociological) projects of the Nazis in World War 2 & beyond. Especially importantly, he has assembled an incredible amount of evidence concerning the survival of the Nazi party, the high ranking SS officers, Nazi sympathisers, and a multitude of scientists & intelligence agents, many of whom were embedded in the USA, all cohabiting interchangeably in a hydra-esque array of corporate fronts & fascias comprising in totality an 'extra-territorial state', a [corporate-legalistic-high financial-advanced science] behemoth, organised under fascist ideals, and controlled from the top by - initially - none other than Martin Bormann, super-evil genius head of the Nazi Reichs Chancellory, who coordinated the escape of perhaps hundreds of very high ranking Nazi officers, and thousands upon thousands of committed party members, intelligence agents, financiers & corporate oligarchs, plus support staff, etc.

Martin Bormann



This 'Nazi International' has morphed & wormed its way into the secretive power structures of world governance, the UN, high finance, corporate power in all nations & sociological/academic cultural drivers, with some structures (such as the Bank for International Settlements, and the European Union itself) having been designed by, created for, and controlled, by the Nazis themselves, whole cloth, though under the cover of multitudinous layers of smoke & mirrors..



JP Farrell wrote an excellent book as part of the noted series, entitled 'The SS Brotherhood of the Bell', and it is concerned with the creation, development & ultimate relocation of a remarkable technology which was classified at literally the highest level possible in Nazi Germany during WW2 - 'Decisive for the War'.



The Nazi Bell project involved technological concepts such as counter-rotating magnetic fields, high pressure manipulation of amalgams of bizarre chemical ingredients (a substance known as 'Red Mercury', it involved radioactive materials & liquid mercury).



The project carried the hazard of certain death to many of the slave laborers who worked on it at the behest of the Nazi scientists & their SS controllers (at the Kammlerstab 'think tank' hidden within the weapons research facilities of the Skoda Munitions plant in Pilsen, now part of the Czech Republic). The scientists were almost all killed by 'single shot to the head' execution as the project was being packed up for emergency evacuation on a Junkers 390 heavy lift ultra-long range cargo transport plane - which apparently just escaped by a whisker, prior to the arrival of General George S. Patton's third army, which ignored the opportunity to take the prize of conquering Berlin, in favour of choosing the mission to Pilsen (to acquire as much of the secret research & scientist staff as possible, before the Russians arrived from the East to claim their share of the war booty). Allegedly the Americans grabbed the majority of the scientists, but the Russians were almost as fortunate in scooping up hundreds of technicians who had hands on experience working on all the various super-secret projects. Definitely a near-parity of conquest for both of the soon-to-be Cold War enemies.

But the Nazi Bell? The most important research project being conducted by the Nazi war machine, with the most potentially devastating capabilities & far-reaching consequences? It apparently escaped - to Argentina, via Norway, so the story goes.

Below image - note the curiously German-style architecture in Carlos San Bariloche, Argentina - where an annual meeting, similar to the Bilderberger event, has been held amidst the highest levels of secrecy & security., going on for over fifty years. Evidence collated by JP Farrell & others suggests that the 'Nazi International' corporate-financier elite hold their summits here - and indeed, there's a thriving ex-pat German community living locally... Much more could be said about Nazi connections to former Argentine dictator Juan Peron, and secretive experiments which appear to be in line with a continuation of the Bell research - but it would take tens of pages to do it all justice.



The Bell itself had multiple unusual properties evident in its operative effects, and required a literally massive electrical power supply - it is said that gravity manipulation was one of the goals sought, and indeed achieved, according to some sources. But another outcome was supposedly the generation of limitless free energy, with yet more notable effects including high energy plasma manipulation, with weaponisation potential, possessing a destructive yield greater than a huge number of thermonuclear bombs in one strike. It was said to be a foray into the field of scalar weaponry, even having the potential 'under the hood' to destroy an entire planet, perhaps, if the precepts were scaled accordingly. Standing scalar waves could allegedly be generated in the underlying fabric of spacetime, in the 'materia prima' of the cosmos (the so-called dark matter which is sought in vain by modern 'standard model' physics scientists - imho their mistake is in their refusal to acknowledge the existence of the 'aether physics model' which the Nazis had/have been experimenting with since the war years..) The counter-rotating magnetic fields, the compression of radioactive 'red mercury' & the manipulation of high energy plasma - all combining somehow in the generation of these destructive, planet-busting scalar wave potentials.

Would such experiments call for means of amplification & waveguides for the resultant scalar wave potentials?

This question, perhaps, now illuminates the conceptual framework I've been aiming to bring into view, as it is according to which theoretical science precepts that the megalopolitan walls of Sacsayhuaman come into narrow focus, more fully understood only against this backdrop of relatively modern (& regrettably, Nazi-led arena of) 'high energy aether physics'.

But is there any indication that some sort of scalar wave generating machine ever stood by the seemingly impossible & impractical 'fortification walls' of Sacsayhuaman?

Yes. Yes there is.



posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 09:29 PM
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The entirety of the Muyucmurca site is suggestive that some sort of machine assembly once stood there. It is a foundational arrangement which demonstrates utter impracticality for a gathering place (a 'temple' according to standard archaeological bluster - the favourite 'go to' interpretation if something ancient looks complicated & they can't figure out what it is). There is a 'run-off' channel which emanates from the central ring, so it is my contention that there was quite possibly a coolant system in place, perhaps required to counteract the heating effects of the counter-rotating magnetic elements mounted on the stone base. Beneath the run-off channel (at the top of the photo immediately beneath this paragraph) is a roughly squared off polygonal space which likely functioned as an overflow reservoir (now full of soil & grass), and from which water may have been recycled back into the coolant process.

Overhead detail image showing stone foundation suitable for mounting assembly of counter-rotating machine components.






Detail image of overflow/ coolant run-off channels. (??)





I believe it is very clear to see that a counter-rotating machine assembly could very easily have been mounted on the stone framework named by archaeologists as a 'temple' or 'fortress', afforded its local name of Muyucmurca. This assembly mounting platform is located in close proximity to the impossible & seemingly illogical/ overkill 'fortifications' of Sacsayhuaman, and based on everything I have presented thus far, I suggest that the emplacement of 'fortifications' at Sacsayhuaman was in actual fact a scalar waveguide constructed on a colossal scale, to be utilised in conjunction with the counter-rotating machinery mounted on the Muyucmurca foundations, which device was of a nature very similar to that of the Nazi Bell project. The purpose was the manipulation of plasma, control of gravitational forces, and the generation of scalar waves - which could be manipulated, focused & amplified as standing or pulsed waves in the local aetheric medium, perhaps enabling multiple technological functions for those who designed & built the site & its machinery. Given the scale of the construction, it seems likely that there was a countrywide, or even global, extension of technological effects..

It appears that it could have been purposed both for communications & weaponry functions easily & without gross adaptations to the form of its components; instead, it was just a matter of manipulating the pulse width, timing, frequency, harmonic resonance, etc, (perhaps in combination with other waveguides/ antennas & so forth, located at other places). Indeed, there is a rather quixotic, otherwise inexplicable stone assembly in the vicinity of Machu Pichu (see image below) which is similarly quite clearly a waveguide of some sort, which may have had attendant machinery at one point, and which may have been coupled to generate a sort of resonant antenna for collection & deciphering of communications issued from elsewhere on the continent/ globe - perhaps also functioning as a relay to bounce signals on to elsewhere.

Many researchers contend that there was a globally-extended large scale emplacement of some sort of advanced physics paradigm 'high technology, resonant frequency harmonics control grid' in ancient times, for communications & weaponry purposes - but as far as I know, I'm the first to connect the remnant structure of Muyucmurca with the concept of a megalith-mounted, large scale, counter-rotating assemblage of 'high energy magneto-plasma scalar wave machinery', similar in terrifying consequence to a scaled-up Nazi Bell project (the 'Decisive for the War' classification wasn't for nothing!) This is for consideration in tandem with my proposal concerning the real purpose of the supposed 'fortifications' of Sacsayhuaman.

If indeed machinery, based on principles of counter-rotating magnetic fields/ high energy plasmas, were to have been emplaced at Muyucmurca, then the monolothic walls of Sacsayhuaman are in actual fact a 'global extension' waveguide, designed for amplification, focus, pulse control & dissemination of scalar waves across the globe, utilising the local aetheric medium. They are not defensive perimeter walls..!! The functionality may have included the ancient antecedent to 'electronic surveillance', and if this be the case, then the hypothesis I advance thereby explains at one fell swoop at least some part of the most ancient concept of the 'All-Seeing Eye' which has come down to us through the dusty millennia from a hitherto unknown (or hidden) source.

Perhaps we are looking at the actual physical remnants of the All-Seeing Eye itself...

Quod Erat Demonstrandum..? Perhaps...


Cheers, FITO.



PS - High energy plasma, held in place above a tower-like structure, by counter-rotating magnetic fields. The eye of Sauron..?



Red granite 'scalar waveguide/ antenna' at Machu Picchu.






PS - On a semi-related thought tangent, I contend that the corporate structure of the Nazi International is actually the dominant political/military force of hegemony in the world these days - responsible for having prevented the onset of a nuclear exchange by either Russia, America, Pakistan or North Korea; any initiation of which would leave the aggressor nation subject to immediate liquidation by the extra-territorial Nazi state, probably coordinated from their Argentine HQ (Bariloche), using a modern advancement based on their original 'Bell' technology. It would be highly ironic, but in line with known stated goals of the extra-territorial Nazis in the 1950's, if they are the ones who are holding us back from the onset of WW3. Who'd have thought it? 'Nazis for Peace in the new millennium'?





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posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 10:26 PM
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Really nice work there FlyIinTheOintment.

Bookmarking for re-reading probably more the just a few times.

It will be interesting to see where this thread goes.




posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 10:27 PM
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Very intriguing and do you have any actual schematics or physics proof to back this up or is this the same red mercury that has been proven to be a fallacy? I absolutely love this theory and want to delve deeper into it on my own tangents. The fortification wall wasn’t really described as far as their use in the theory. Please go further in depth and expound on their uses please.
Also, what makes you believe that the Nazis had this exact technology? Is there any concrete link that the nazis were using
technology similar to the structure or is this a “if the shoe fits” type of theory?
The nazi bell, is there any residual artifacts that would be tell tale signs of the bell working such as residual radiation, high amounts of mercury in the soil, magnetized mineral deposits in the area that would be stronger that usual after the experiments? I am asking for purely academic inquiry because I already know spinning mercury in and of itself tends to have anomalous reactions with gravity and inertial properties.
The injection of high amounts of electrons in form of electricity to make endless electric seemed rather ubiquitous to snake oil and magician hoaxes. I want more than anything for this theory to be true! On a word of caution, I would have to find an experiment and proof of science to lend this a seal of approval.
In my honest opinion.... probably one of the better thought provoking threads I have read in a great long while. S&F

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posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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There's at least three hoaxes in the reference material:

* "red mercury"
* "Egyptian helicopter" (that's part of a sentence on a hypostyle)
* out of context cuneiform seal (and there's writing on the seal that contradicts the interpretation.)

And more. Also, I can't find any record of Farrell at Oxford, though that may be my google-fu failure. I do find it odd that a PhD would speculate without actually doing any research on a subject.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 12:19 AM
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Excellent work! Plenty of food for thought here. I wouldn't be surprised if Puma Punku was designed for a similar purpose.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 12:44 AM
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Great thread FITO! Nice to see folks thinking.

What we are missing, is the materials that might have been a part of the original installation, and have since been removed, or deteriorated.
Like: wood, metals, masonry, other...

Also thinking about other reasons why we build walls on one, or two sides: to protect from wind, sand, water, snow, energy(?), or other elements.

Thank-you.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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Interesting take... or should we say high octane speculation?

One minor correction, Farrell took his PhD at Oxford but was not tenured there. He taught Medieval History and Philosophy among other subjects at Oklahoma University if I remember correctly and even in Oklahoma we was just an associate professor... he was a former floor manager in a casino though, a bit of trivia that'll make Byrd smile; after he quit teaching and took writing full time.


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You got awesome google-fu Byrd. Never doubt that. Farrell did his research, he often joke about his epitaph saying "He lived for his footnotes."


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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 04:58 AM
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Any 'proven hoax' to one man, can legitimately be 'deliberately misrepresented & suppressed for more than one reason' to another man. So as another poster has said, 'He lived for his footnotes'. I don't doubt that you know your mainstream stuff Byrd, but you sure know how to pour cold water without certitude of proof supporting your claim.

At the outset, I said this would be a speculative hypothesis, and given that we're dealing with a massively suppressed & hidden history, extending much further back in time than mainstream models will permit, then I take your skepticism with a lamp-sized chunk of Himalayan rock salt.

Thanks all the same for deigning to stoop low & share your wisdom, in what surely now can only be interpreted as a junk thread..




posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 04:59 AM
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Thanks for the positive comments! The only thing I would say is that if these walls were built to defend from the elements of wind & rain, etc, then they are psychotically over-engineered!




posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 05:04 AM
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I agree that Puma Punku is definitely connected. One thing we all should remember is that when these megalithic structures were created, 'Peru' & 'Bolivia' (et al) did not exist, and the overall landmass was subject to the complete freedom of movement of the 'Builder Race'. They had total mastery over their continental domain, and designed almost all these megalithic sites contemporaneously to one another, with many having interlinked industrial function & social purposes/ attributes.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 05:09 AM
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Additionally, I didn't mention an 'Egyptian helicopter' anywhere, and the only reason for either that image, or the cylinder seal image being placed in the post was for the purpose of providing a well-known memetic image to pretty up my segue post regarding the 'fallen Watchers' theory - indeed, the images were included in a section of the text in which I explicitly stated that readers may wish to 'suspend their disbelief' when considering that part of my commentary..!! The only reason I included the images is because they evoke an awareness of the 'ancient aliens' trope in a familiar manner within the wider alternative research community.

So why are you claiming that I included mention of an 'Egyptian helicopter' & 'out-of-context cylinder seal' as parts of my hypothesis, essentially putting words in my mouth?

Seems you were looking for quick-fire ways to derogate the thread...

Two of your three contended points are refuted per the above, and the 'red mercury' contention is already noted to have been satisfactorily countered by the source material referenced, and thereby your argument is shown to have been either utterly false, or at least highly questionable.



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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 05:22 AM
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do you have any actual schematics or physics proof to back this up


No.

But can I ask you - do you have a set of blueprints to the Great Pyramid handy perchance?

Of course not, don't be silly. We're talking tens of thousands of years ago, minimum.


is this the same red mercury that has been proven to be a fallacy?


See response to Byrd - and go read the JP Farrell book, check the footnotes, and see for yourself that anyone claiming a broadstroke 'fallacy' argument is arguing from laziness, or is being deliberate disingenuous.


Also, what makes you believe that the Nazis had this exact technology? Is there any concrete link that the nazis were using
technology similar to the structure or is this a “if the shoe fits” type of theory?


Again, I can only recommend that you read Dr Farrell's book, the SS Brotherhood of the Bell, which details the entirety of the sum of all available knowledge on the matter. Really can't recommend that book, and all his other books, highly enough. Definitely required reading in the higher reaches of the alternative research community.


The nazi bell, is there any residual artifacts that would be tell tale signs of the bell working such as residual radiation, high amounts of mercury in the soil, magnetized mineral deposits in the area that would be stronger that usual after the experiments?


Quite possibly, though I would suspect that any modern (or super-advanced ancient) incarnation of the technology would likely be designed as a hermetically sealed device, unlikely to directly pollute the local environment. I expect that residual radiation spikes might remain for some time after it was removed from a given environment, and it would likely never be considered 'safe' technology.


The injection of high amounts of electrons in form of electricity to make endless electric seemed rather ubiquitous to snake oil and magician hoaxes. I want more than anything for this theory to be true!


I suspect that the high electrical consumption applied mainly during the research & development phase during & shortly after WW2. I would imagine that a modern iteration would only need electrical input to get it started - thereafter it would generate sufficient excess energy to enable it to power itself perpetually.


On a word of caution, I would have to find an experiment and proof of science to lend this a seal of approval.


Good luck with that! These sorts of experimentation are not being performed in publicly accessible forums, and all are likely classified at the highest levels..

Thanks for the enthusiasm, and for tempering your enthusiasm with legitimate skepticism!




posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 05:48 AM
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Thank you for your supportive & helpful comments, and for the correction concerning Dr Farrell's tenure - I admit I was a bit hazy on that & should have double checked.

This image was the one which sealed the deal for me:



Definitely a foundation for mounting a machine assembly. Counter-rotating magneto-plasma Nazi Bell type machinery seems a good fit, with plentiful local natural materials (stone) utilised for a quick assembly waveguide in the form of the 'fortifications'. This is what I mean by the Builder Race's use of plug & play, lightweight & portable technology, which utilised the most efficient means of construction to prepare for their need to manipulate scalar waves (likely for multiple purposes..). Locally available natural materials = earthquake-proof solutions to meet their need.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 06:19 AM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: MaxTamesSiva

Thank you for your supportive & helpful comments, and for the correction concerning Dr Farrell's tenure - I admit I was a bit hazy on that & should have double checked.

This image was the one which sealed the deal for me:



Definitely a foundation for mounting a machine assembly. Counter-rotating magneto-plasma Nazi Bell type machinery seems a good fit, with plentiful local natural materials (stone) utilised for a quick assembly waveguide in the form of the 'fortifications'. This is what I mean by the Builder Race's use of plug & play, lightweight & portable technology, which utilised the most efficient means of construction to prepare for their need to manipulate scalar waves (likely for multiple purposes..). Locally available natural materials = earthquake-proof solutions to meet their need.


It definitely looks like something astronomical. The central circular area could have been a pond of water used to allow a round table to float. This would require a drain to maintain optimum water height, thus the groove. Then there would be wheels or rollers to allow the structure to rotate. Could have been anything from a telescope to a trebuchet.

I do wonder what all those walled areas were for - were they used to contain animals, crops or covered over and used as housing.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Thanks for a great thread. I enjoyed reading it. This gives me a few directions to look in on personal interests. The circle foundation to my uneducated guess would be a reactor of some sort. I have been having growing interest in the scalar waves as of late. Looking forward to see where this goes.

Kocag



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Byrd

Any 'proven hoax' to one man, can legitimately be 'deliberately misrepresented & suppressed for more than one reason' to another man. So as another poster has said, 'He lived for his footnotes'. I don't doubt that you know your mainstream stuff Byrd, but you sure know how to pour cold water without certitude of proof supporting your claim.

At the outset, I said this would be a speculative hypothesis, and given that we're dealing with a massively suppressed & hidden history, extending much further back in time than mainstream models will permit, then I take your skepticism with a lamp-sized chunk of Himalayan rock salt.

Thanks all the same for deigning to stoop low & share your wisdom, in what surely now can only be interpreted as a junk thread..



Well said Sir, well said indeed!

SnF



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 07:24 AM
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LOL. Thank you kindly..


And I stand by it - the whole shebang has been mercilessly suppressed, the field of alternatiive research filled to the brim with disinformation & misinformation - artefacts spirited away; site excavation requests blocked without good cause; document fragments 'missing' critical chunks of narrative (despite all the lower grade information remaining intact), and so on.. The truth of this world is stranger than fiction - but mainstream academia would have you believe it is unremarkable humdrum; indeed that is all it can do, being a fundamental component of the mainstream 'control system' - because it was 'built' that way, specifically to enable & encourage the plastering-over of 'inconvenient' historical data/ artefacts.

Our society would be incredibly advanced by now, if we had been able to prevent the rigging of scientific academia & outright corruption of the mainstream political-sociological systems. It all comes down to the inherent corruptibility of the fiat money cartel system of central banking & currency exchange. Incidentally, read 'Bablyons's Banksters', also by Dr JP Farrell, which is an excellent treatise on how the corruption endemic to our modern day finance, politics, sociology & corporate world.. The lizard-like brotherhood in control back then, may well still be pulling the strings.




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