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Originally posted by drbryankkruta
[Let God and nature descide just do what you can with out killing the child ,
It's quite simple...you take into account the purpose of the procedure. The purpose of the procedure is to save the mother and save the child. The rate of death for the child is understandably high, most likely 100% but you do not approach it with a sinister plot to destroy the child!
Originally posted by paranoia
It is certainly very interesting to see some people's true light come out in this. Isn't a commandment "thou shalt not kill" ?
I'm sorry, i didn't realise Jesus taught Christians to use your own judgement and murder in cold blood when and if you see fit. Hypocritical.
If you truely believe this, then you must also believe the so called terrorists are justified for their murders as they are following their religion (supposedly).
Take a step back and stop thinking of murdering. DrH, in all of your posts i notice a very very blood thirsty, murderous, war loving streak in you... perhaps you are one of the many reasons people are rejecting Christianity? I believe you tar your faith and present it in the blackest light possible. Shame on you!
Originally posted by paranoia
It is certainly very interesting to see some people's true light come out in this. Isn't a commandment "thou shalt not kill" ?
I'm sorry, i didn't realise Jesus taught Christians to use your own judgement and murder in cold blood when and if you see fit. Hypocritical.
If you truely believe this, then you must also believe the so called terrorists are justified for their murders as they are following their religion (supposedly).
Take a step back and stop thinking of murdering. DrH, in all of your posts i notice a very very blood thirsty, murderous, war loving streak in you... perhaps you are one of the many reasons people are rejecting Christianity? I believe you tar your faith and present it in the blackest light possible. Shame on you!
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
we are a hope for a brighter future then ,
but as to my friend DR H I cant give up on him , I know he realizes what I am saying is true , but he just cant see past his own issues , but that is not to say I am going to write him off , I only hope he finds his way back
Originally posted by DrHoracid
Its not "murder' as I see fit. Read the bible. Gen, Deut. Exodus its all there. The LAW.
God is not a hypocrit. He follows the same laws he gives MAN.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
we are a hope for a brighter future then ,
but as to my friend DR H I cant give up on him , I know he realizes what I am saying is true , but he just cant see past his own issues , but that is not to say I am going to write him off , I only hope he finds his way back
Best of luck.. if you can turn him around then perhaps there is a chance to turn actual terrorists around as well. They are usually all driven by that same 'punnishment' blood lust.
Originally posted by riley
Best of luck.. if you can turn him around then perhaps there is a chance to turn actual terrorists around as well. They are usually all driven by that same 'punnishment' blood lust.
Originally posted by DrHoracid
You don't understand. I do love my neighbor,
murder is wrong. Punishment, justice, and yes, killing as directed by God is OK. Both go together.
God did set up the "rules". Christ did not "change" anything, except perhaps the "daily" sacrifice.
Originally posted by WolfofWar
Using "god" is an easy excuse to go through with innane extremism and murder. There is one true commandment in ALL religion, do not kill your fellow human being. That being said. If god came to you himself and said "Kill Bob now with this holyshotgun." it would not justify murder, as you are not supposed to kill any living human being. This is the one thing ALL religions have in common. If any of you have seen Frailty, I suggest you pick it up. It shows what harm can be done by extremists and using gods for an excuse to murder.
Originally posted by paranoia
It is certainly very interesting to see some people's true light come out in this. Isn't a commandment "thou shalt not kill" ?
I'm sorry, i didn't realise Jesus taught Christians to use your own judgement and murder in cold blood when and if you see fit. Hypocritical.
If you truely believe this, then you must also believe the so called terrorists are justified for their murders as they are following their religion (supposedly).
Take a step back and stop thinking of murdering. DrH, in all of your posts i notice a very very blood thirsty, murderous, war loving streak in you... perhaps you are one of the many reasons people are rejecting Christianity? I believe you tar your faith and present it in the blackest light possible. Shame on you!
Originally posted by Kinja
There is no way possible, Jesus would stand by and watch a killer kill an innocent. He would protect the innocent and NOT turn his cheek.
It's quite simple...you take into account the purpose of the procedure. The purpose of the procedure is to save the mother and save the child. The rate of death for the child is understandably high, most likely 100% but you do not approach it with a sinister plot to destroy the child!
Failing to terminate a molar/ectopic pregnacy would be the direct result of a mother dieing. 'Waiting' for the inevtiable death of a fetus would be a death sentence for the mother.
I gave the examples because I suspect that many are a little ignorant of the types of pregnancy complications that can arise that would make abortion a neccesity.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by Kinja
There is no way possible, Jesus would stand by and watch a killer kill an innocent. He would protect the innocent and NOT turn his cheek.
And how would he protect them? Would he go up to a 15 yo girl and offer her councel, food, money to support her child and find her a permanent and safe place to stay because her parents threw her out? or would he shrug his shoulders and walk away from her into a clinic with a shotgun and blow everybody's heads off instead?
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
You know as well as I the OT doesnt apply , the promise of the New Covenant replaced that so this is wrong , why did you go there , the NT or new covenant is our generations commandments.
Originally posted by Biegacz
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
You know as well as I the OT doesnt apply , the promise of the New Covenant replaced that so this is wrong , why did you go there , the NT or new covenant is our generations commandments.
Matthew 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, unitl heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, nor the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
The New Testament is about salvation, not Laws.
Originally posted by Kinja
It is really difficult to avoid offending you here.... you are exhibiting no reading comprehension whatsoever. I stated plainly there would be a procedure undertaken to save both lives, mother and child.
I also stated that the probability that the child dies in the procedure would be almost 100%. the Idea to just destroy the child first is evil.
Whether or not it must be done is something else,
but do not lose sight of the most moral goal. If you still cannot, or refuse to, comprehend what I am saying, I will offer no illustrations to aid you. Perhaps repeating high school...
Originally posted by James the Lesser
Ok, looking at ten commandments, no fine print. THOU SHALT NOT KILL! It doesn't have any fine print below saying unless.....
Anyways, you use religon as your arguement to kill, so I use it to show you you are a hypocritical nut case who doesn't deserve to have contact with humans in fear of you killing them for not being your slave/doing everything you tell them to do. I swear, you see someone eating meat on a friday and whip out a 12 gauge? You see a woman not being subservient to her husband and kill her? You see a woman who has had sex outside of marrige and run her over? You see a man looking at another woman and stab him to death? If you are gonna kill sinners, got to kill all the sinners, not just the ones you choose to kill.
Also, what if the doctor goes home every night and prays to god for forgiveness to forgive him for his job that is a neccessary evil? Or does god not forgive him but forgives you for blowing up a womans clinic killing the people in the waiting room, the woman in for a pap scan, the nurse at the front desk, the gynocologist checking on a woman, oh and the woman and doctor discussing the option of abortion in case the fetus is a molar tumor.