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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Ok, looking at ten commandments, no fine print. THOU SHALT NOT KILL! It doesn't have any fine print below saying unless.....
Leviticus 24:17 - And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
Originally posted by riley
Wow are you full of yourself.
Originally posted by riley
Perhaps you should actually try giving common sense answers for a change instead of "the doctor can pretend he's saving the child as well." Thats delusional.
Originally posted by riley
Hmm.. at first thats how I read it- but it didn't make sense.. you do realise what terminating a pregnancy does don't you? The fetus is going to die no matter what. It's not an 'accidental' side effect of abortion that it dies.. there is no pretending that the fetus is somehow not going to die.
Failing to terminate a molar/ectopic pregnacy would be the direct result of a mother dieing. 'Waiting' for the inevtiable death of a fetus would be a death sentence for the mother.
I gave the examples because I suspect that many are a little ignorant of the types of pregnancy complications that can arise that would make abortion a neccesity.
Originally posted by Biegacz
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
You know as well as I the OT doesnt apply , the promise of the New Covenant replaced that so this is wrong , why did you go there , the NT or new covenant is our generations commandments.
Matthew 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, unitl heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, nor the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
The New Testament is about salvation, not Laws.
Originally posted by paranoia
I do not misinterpret the bible, and i do not need to go back and read it, however DrH i would either seriously consider your understanding of what it means to be a true Christian, or join a Satanistic cult instead - they're views will match yours much more accuracy i think.
To those who advocate killing of another human/s and pretend to be a Christian - please do not try to pull the wool over anyones eyes. You are haters, and seekers of outlets for your inner weakness. I pity you and your views. This thread had disgusted me enough to leave it.
[edit on 22-2-2005 by paranoia]
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
True but you must also look at the larger context there are things that were told us that would go to the side side the first coming brought about change, the bible is and has hidden parts in the obvious words so that when you find the meaning they are shown you in clarity , words like new convenant or in our words new contract or promis are just one of the examples. The fundamentalist short sightedness was existant back then as well that is part of why things where made more clear.
[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]
Originally posted by Biegacz
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
True but you must also look at the larger context there are things that were told us that would go to the side side the first coming brought about change, the bible is and has hidden parts in the obvious words so that when you find the meaning they are shown you in clarity , words like new convenant or in our words new contract or promis are just one of the examples. The fundamentalist short sightedness was existant back then as well that is part of why things where made more clear.
[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]
But the New Covenant is not about laws, it is about Man's relationship with God and how He should be approached. The New Covenant did away with sacrifices and such, not God's rules on how Men should conduct themselves in human-to-human interaction.
Originally posted by James the Lesser
Ok, so the old rules still apply, THOU SHALT NOT KILL! So, again, you people are still hypocrits if you have no problem killing people.
Originally posted by James the Lesser
No, according to the bible you eat meat on a friday you going to hell. Catholic church says if you ask for forgiveness from a priest you will be saved. Well, who will save us when the priest themselves are sinners? .....
Where in the bible does it say as long as you ask for forgiveness you are ok to rape, steal, kill, eat meat on a friday? Also, just because you ask for it doesn't mean you will get it. Doubt, if your god does exist, he is a-ok with forgiving someone who just blew up 5 people and injured 6 others.
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
not true it is a promise of no further world destruction and ammends laws on salvation deleting live sacrifice and sets for the laws concerning future events
one of which is not to seek the end but be aware of the signs it is coming and another is to read and cherish the book of revelation , and there are more you just have to find them.
[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]
Originally posted by Biegacz
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
not true it is a promise of no further world destruction and ammends laws on salvation deleting live sacrifice and sets for the laws concerning future events
one of which is not to seek the end but be aware of the signs it is coming and another is to read and cherish the book of revelation , and there are more you just have to find them.
[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]
But how do you explain Matthew 5:17-18 "...not the smallest letter, nor the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law..."?
Originally posted by Kinja
Originally posted by riley
Wow are you full of yourself.
I guess it's easy to confuse conficence in the word of the Lord with arrogance.
Yet you hide behind the pretend notion, that there is not a death, in abortion... comical.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by Kinja
Originally posted by riley
Wow are you full of yourself.
I guess it's easy to confuse conficence in the word of the Lord with arrogance.
I was replying to your judgement about my highschool education.. you didn't mention 'the lord'. btw.. you forgot "So there". Do you want to go tit for tat or actually stick to the subject?
Yet you hide behind the pretend notion, that there is not a death, in abortion... comical.
I never said there is no death.. I just do not believe it is a sentient person.
Originally posted by DrHoracid
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by Kinja
Originally posted by riley
Wow are you full of yourself.
I guess it's easy to confuse conficence in the word of the Lord with arrogance.
I was replying to your judgement about my highschool education.. you didn't mention 'the lord'. btw.. you forgot "So there". Do you want to go tit for tat or actually stick to the subject?
Yet you hide behind the pretend notion, that there is not a death, in abortion... comical.
I never said there is no death.. I just do not believe it is a sentient person.
OK, just to "liven" things up. A "baby" does not get its "soul" until it take a breath of air once born. While in the womb, the "thing" is a human baby from conception. When the first cell division starts that is "Life". But the child does get a soul until birth.
Originally posted by drbryankkruta
that is not pertenent to what I am saying , what I am saying that that type of statement applies to those that where after Jesus begain his ministry, the laws I am refering to came by the lack of Jesus ministry and where meant to govern people till such time as Jesus could fullfill the progression of the revised laws and become the final offering that bound us in the new covenant.
Originally posted by DrHoracid
OK, just to "liven" things up. A "baby" does not get its "soul" until it take a breath of air once born.
While in the womb, the "thing" is a human baby from conception.
When the first cell division starts that is "Life". But the child does get a soul until birth.