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Pro_Life Violence

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posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
So a rape victim is a slut? A 12 year old used and abused by her father is a slut? So a 14 year old(still a minor) who has sex with a 28 year old is a slut? SO women who will die if they give birth are sluts?

And again, it is a sin, evil, if a woman aborts a fetus, but if I shoot a pregnant woman or blow up a couple pregnant women it all ok? Hypocrits.


I have already defined my use of the word slut. I apologize that I cannot find a book by Dr. Suess that will help you "get it".




posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 05:31 PM
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who wants to go to heaven anyways, I have a hard enough time putting up with all these religious zealots and hypocrits down here on earth.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by obsidian468
Telling a woman that she does not have a choice if she wants an abortion is taking away free will, and in my opinion, is a greater sin than any murder.


LMAO!!!! Under this same, devoid of logic and morality, concept, the illegality of Jaywalking is a greater travesty than any murder since your free will to cross the street wherever you want has been obstructed by an ondinance.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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Good point, going to hell sounds so much better. Jimmy Hendrix, Elvis Presley, Beatles,(John Lennon!)JFK, Lincoln, Ghandi, all in hell according to christians. Jimmy is black, Elvis ate meat on a friday, John Lennon ate meat on a firday, JFK had sex, lots of it, Lincoln ate meat on a friday, Ghandi wasn't a christian, all in hell. So, like on South Park movie, Heaven Poulation 1,387(I think) while population hell is going up faster then you can count.

Anyways, yes, you consider anyone who isn't your slave a slut. If they don't go around bare feet popping out a kid every 9 months while obeying every command from their husband then they are sluts.

STAY OUT OF THEIR WOMB! It is their body, and until sround half way, it is just their bodym with a parasitic zombie inside.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Kinja

Originally posted by obsidian468
Telling a woman that she does not have a choice if she wants an abortion is taking away free will, and in my opinion, is a greater sin than any murder.


LMAO!!!! Under this same, devoid of logic and morality, concept, the illegality of Jaywalking is a greater travesty than any murder since your free will to cross the street wherever you want has been obstructed by an ondinance.


An ordinance like this, I can understand, since it is for public safety. As has been previously stated in this thread, illegal abortion causes a far greater public health risk than legalized abortion. People are going to have abortions either way. Maintain a greater degree of public safety by keeping it legal.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Good point, going to hell sounds so much better. Jimmy Hendrix, Elvis Presley, Beatles,(John Lennon!)JFK, Lincoln, Ghandi, all in hell according to christians. Jimmy is black, Elvis ate meat on a friday, John Lennon ate meat on a firday, JFK had sex, lots of it, Lincoln ate meat on a friday, Ghandi wasn't a christian, all in hell. So, like on South Park movie, Heaven Poulation 1,387(I think) while population hell is going up faster then you can count.


You definitely do not know what Christianity is. Read what the Bible says about who will go to heaven instead of listening to what any nutcase who claims to be Christian says. One may murder all he wants, have sex with whoever he wants, eat whatever he wants whenever he wants, steal whatever he wants, rape whoever he wants, curse whoever he wants, lie all he wants, etc. and all he has to do to be forgiven by God is repent and accept Jesus Christ as His atonement for his sins. As much as I wish otherwise, a pedophile serial killer can go to Heaven alongside someone who spent his life feeding the poor and helping the oppressed. The only person unable to go Heaven is he who blasphemes the Spirit. People do not go to Hell because of their sins (if that was true everybody, Christians included, would go to Hell), but because they refuse to return to their Creator.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 07:48 PM
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No, according to the bible you eat meat on a friday you going to hell. Catholic church says if you ask for forgiveness from a priest you will be saved. Well, who will save us when the priest themselves are sinners? ALso, religon, as stated, is bogus. You have a "God spot" in the brain that makes you believe in a god. The people who don't have as large of a G-Spot don't believe, as easily. Of course, smaller G-SPot probably leads to more area in the brain for science/facts, tolerance, kindness......

Where in the bible does it say as long as you ask for forgiveness you are ok to rape, steal, kill, eat meat on a friday? Also, just because you ask for it doesn't mean you will get it. Doubt, if your god does exist, he is a-ok with forgiving someone who just blew up 5 people and injured 6 others.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Kinja
there is not an excuse for murdering a child in the womb.

There are many medical reasons as well where abortion is the only treatment available. What about ectopic pregnancies? The 'child' CAN'T survive.. the mother would die when it grows too big for the fallopian tube.. [only meant to carry eggs] the tube explodes- obviously neither the mother or fetus would survive this. There are also molar pregnancies.. where the fetal tissue is so malformed it spreads a kind of cancer.. they could never be born. There are plenty of other cases where there is no other option, and I could list more examples.. but of course- even though the fetus is going to die no matter what.. you would still think the mother should die as well. Why? Would you rather force a woman to wait until the pregnacy kills her [which kills the baby]?

And as for this judgemantal vile you have been spewing- calling women sluts and murderers regardless of what their circumstances may be.. why are you exempt for 'judge not lest ye be judged'? Are you above Jesus are you? I always thought christians were suppose to follow Christ's word.



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 10:34 PM
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It is both neurotic and hypocritically to support life yet , kill , and mame to enforce the beliefs that abortion is murder , they are wrong fo using violence against those who dont share their opinion , they in fact are worse than those who take part in or recieve abortions as the abortion affects one person with intent , where the pro life people strike many with only the intent to show intent
they are mixed up people who are no better than the murdered that kills you in your own bed as you sleep or the suicide bombers that kill for a misguided belief. murder is murder abortion or anti abortion in nature.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by obsidian468
No matter what your personal views are on this topic, this is not something to be decided by the government. The seperation of Church and State is what has allowed the US to survive and grow as it has. The choice in the matter is left to the individual. Not everyone in this country is a Christian, and not everyone believes in God. When making laws in this country, religion should have *nothing* to do with them.

I know many people who are pro life for themselves, yet pro choice for everyone else. They have a little something called RESPECT for others, and feel that others are the only ones responsible for their own choices. If someone else has an abortion, as you said, you believe they have to deal with God about it. So, get your nose out of her womb, and let God deal with it.

People are NOT entitled, however, to force their beliefs on ANYONE who may choose to believe differently. Therefore, there really is no debate here. You all believe differently. That's life. Deal.



excellent thoughts!!! very well said................i know many people myself that are pro life for their own lives but are pro choice for others.........

the final judgement is from GOD...........period end of story. and forcing one's beliefs on another is just WRONG............seperation of church and state...........YES...........that's what the founders of our nation decided wayyyyyyy back when and IMO it still works today.


angie



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by amb1063

Originally posted by obsidian468
No matter what your personal views are on this topic, this is not something to be decided by the government. The seperation of Church and State is what has allowed the US to survive and grow as it has. The choice in the matter is left to the individual. Not everyone in this country is a Christian, and not everyone believes in God. When making laws in this country, religion should have *nothing* to do with them.

I know many people who are pro life for themselves, yet pro choice for everyone else. They have a little something called RESPECT for others, and feel that others are the only ones responsible for their own choices. If someone else has an abortion, as you said, you believe they have to deal with God about it. So, get your nose out of her womb, and let God deal with it.

People are NOT entitled, however, to force their beliefs on ANYONE who may choose to believe differently. Therefore, there really is no debate here. You all believe differently. That's life. Deal.



excellent thoughts!!! very well said................i know many people myself that are pro life for their own lives but are pro choice for others.........

the final judgement is from GOD...........period end of story. and forcing one's beliefs on another is just WRONG............seperation of church and state...........YES...........that's what the founders of our nation decided wayyyyyyy back when and IMO it still works today.


angie


The "seperation" of church and state is nowhere in the constitution. If the death of an abortion doctor saves the lives of thousands then so be it. In any other time and in any other definition an abortion doctor would be a serial killer......



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by amb1063

Originally posted by obsidian468
No matter what your personal views are on this topic, this is not something to be decided by the government. The seperation of Church and State is what has allowed the US to survive and grow as it has. The choice in the matter is left to the individual. Not everyone in this country is a Christian, and not everyone believes in God. When making laws in this country, religion should have *nothing* to do with them.

I know many people who are pro life for themselves, yet pro choice for everyone else. They have a little something called RESPECT for others, and feel that others are the only ones responsible for their own choices. If someone else has an abortion, as you said, you believe they have to deal with God about it. So, get your nose out of her womb, and let God deal with it.

People are NOT entitled, however, to force their beliefs on ANYONE who may choose to believe differently. Therefore, there really is no debate here. You all believe differently. That's life. Deal.



excellent thoughts!!! very well said................i know many people myself that are pro life for their own lives but are pro choice for others.........

the final judgement is from GOD...........period end of story. and forcing one's beliefs on another is just WRONG............seperation of church and state...........YES...........that's what the founders of our nation decided wayyyyyyy back when and IMO it still works today.


angie


The "seperation" of church and state is nowhere in the constitution. If the death of an abortion doctor saves the lives of thousands then so be it. In any other time and in any other definition an abortion doctor would be a serial killer......



drH................as it stands now abortion is a legal right..........period. so as long as its legal then killing the physicians that perform the procedures IS ILLEGAL..............so is bombing their clinics and killing or injuring the workers in the facilities............


angie



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by amb1063
drH................as it stands now abortion is a legal right..........period. so as long as its legal then killing the physicians that perform the procedures IS ILLEGAL..............so is bombing their clinics and killing or injuring the workers in the facilities............


angie


At one time, due to a supreme court decision it was "legal" to own a human and kill any (indian) that was seen drinking "whiskey". Being legal doesn't make it "right", especially when it was law from the "bench".

Don't forget there are "Marines" on trial for following "unlawful" orders.

[edit on 22-2-2005 by DrHoracid]



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
The "seperation" of church and state is nowhere in the constitution. If the death of an abortion doctor saves the lives of thousands then so be it. In any other time and in any other definition an abortion doctor would be a serial killer......






I disagree , to use this method of thinking is flawed to kill one to prevent them from performing a proceedure that is in alrights imoral and un ethical , is still murder , dont become the violator , if you wish to stop the killing then promote legislation , terrorism is however never the way to answer to this problem and besides the fact God will deal with them as it should be , You would be aiding in the murder of innocents as well there by taking apon yourself to pass judgement.

Another point never noticed is that what happens to that innocent child you are trying to save when you commit terrorism like bombing a building , you are still going to kill the innocent in the process, and what about the collateral damage outside or what about the doctors family who may be injured and killed in a personal attack on just the doctor away from the clinic.


MURDER FOR ANY REASON IS STILL MURDER, judge not lest the to be judged. Kill not lest you be judged.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by drbryankkruta

MURDER FOR ANY REASON IS STILL MURDER, judge not lest the to be judged. Kill not lest you be judged.





Sorry, but killing to prevent murder isn't "murder" its justice. Killing a serical murderer is OK. Buy your iterp of "judge' there would be no justice on this planet. This isn't about "sin" and judgment its about mass murder.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by drbryankkruta

MURDER FOR ANY REASON IS STILL MURDER, judge not lest the to be judged. Kill not lest you be judged.





Sorry, but killing to prevent murder isn't "murder" its justice. Killing a serical murderer is OK. Buy your iterp of "judge' there would be no justice on this planet. This isn't about "sin" and judgment its about mass murder.






let me refraze this then , vigilantism is murder then , it is neither your right nor privilage to decide who lives or dies no more than it is the mother and doctor who kills the innocent not yet born. and that partial birth abortion crap that is just plain murder , the definition of life in law is highly supportive that birth of any kind partial or not constitutes murder when the life is terminated, tell me how partial birth abortion are legal you cant neither than pro abortion people , but it is not for us to stand there and kill a person all the same.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Sorry, but killing to prevent murder isn't "murder" its justice.

Come off it.. it's not about 'preventing murder' it's about evoking TERROR. Calling it 'god's work' or labelling it riteous doesn't make it any less 'evil' than the 'evil' they are pretending to fight.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:46 AM
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Drh

I have found it disheartening to know you views on God and see you respond the way you have as of late in this and atleast four other threads surely your all the sudden not of the belief that death is the only way are you, if so where do you find justification for your point of view when you kill or wish killing in the same manor as any person who commits an imoral act like abortion.




And before you go eye for eye on me remember those circumstances are nothing to do with this and where instituded by God for the purpose of dealing with the issues of the time they where said , they where not meant as the battle cry of all time and all situations this is why God in turn said judge not lest ye to be judged he knew people would justify murder by saying murder was the cause.






[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]

[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Sorry, but killing to prevent murder isn't "murder" its justice.

Come off it.. it's not about 'preventing murder' it's about evoking TERROR. Calling it 'god's work' or labelling it riteous doesn't make it any less 'evil' than the 'evil' they are pretending to fight.






Very Very true , I dont know what hardened his heart as of late but this is not how I believe we are meant to percieve the issues in the eyes of God , so I even thought I dont like nor endorse abortion it is not for me to judge nor DR H for that matter and God has told us that repeatedly, there are I think underlying issues that are being displayed on this topic and others involving things that he does not tolerate , and he reflects his dispersed anger in a way that promotes justification, this has been the start of wars all through time and what sparks terrorism now and those who commit or condone terrorism are mearly using violence as a scape goat of venting predisposed anger from an unrealted issue.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Drh

I have found it disheartening to know you views on God and see you respond the way you have as of late in this and atleast four other threads surely your all the sudden not of the belief that death is the only way are you, if so where do you find justification for your point of view when you kill or wish killing in the same manor as any person who commits an imoral act like abortion.




And before you go eye for eye on me remember those circumstances are nothing to do with this and where instituded by God for the purpose of dealing with the issues of the time they where said , they where not meant as the battle cry of all time and all situations this is why God in turn said judge not lest ye to be judged he knew people would justify murder by saying murder was the cause.






[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]

[edit on 22/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]


So because eye for an eye is in the old "book" it doesn't apply? BS. Nothing has changed the LAW. If the planet had followed that LAW there would be much less crime now. Extemination of evil............



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