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Originally posted by mwm1331
Come on sminkey you are trying to say that not being born at all is better than being born to poor parents?
Please.
You and I both know that is bull#.
As for not doing it, would you say the same about rape?
I mean after all what right do we have to say a man can not get his jolles by raping women? Dont agree with it then dont do it, but dont you dare force your quaint morality on anyone else.
You say its only a potential life, but that potential is alive, it may or may not be consious, but it is alive.
Tell me do you feel that those who are brain dead should be killed as well? Afterall they're no longer consious.
See the simple fact is a fetus s human and alive. It is human life.
I suspect you use the "potential life" argument becuase in your heart you know what you are supporting is murder, pure and simple.
Rationilise it all you want but its murder. It is the intentional premeditated killing of a living breathing human being.
To say that a womans abillity not to be inconvienced by the results of her own actions trumps that of another living humans to live is ludicrous.
Yu say that in some situations aborton s the least worst outcome, maybe for the mother, but not for her child. There s no circunstance in whch abortion is better than any other course of action for that fetus, on that I think we can both agree at least.
Originally posted by mwm1331
Yes devilwasp I say a child born in Iraq or sudan is better off than one aborted in America. The one born has hope, the one aborted has nothing.
The one born thogh abused has the abillity to overcome that abuse and can end up a happy healthy human being the other can not.
And if you need me to define human life devlwasp you are even more ignorant than I though you were.
Still think two species can evolve into the same species devilwasp?
Still think a modern chimp will one day evolve into a human?
Stick to worshipping the sunburn devlwasp you are not qalified to discuss things with adults yet.
Originally posted by mwm1331
Come on sminkey you are trying to say that not being born at all is better than being born to poor parents?
Please.
You and I both know that is bull#.
As for not doing it, would you say the same about rape?
I mean after all what right do we have to say a man can not get his jolles by raping women? Dont agree with it then dont do it, but dont you dare force your quaint morality on anyone else.
You say its only a potential life, but that potential is alive, it may or may not be consious, but it is alive.
Tell me do you feel that those who are brain dead should be killed as well? Afterall they're no longer consious.
See the simple fact is a fetus s human and alive. It is human life.
I suspect you use the "potential life" argument becuase in your heart you know what you are supporting is murder, pure and simple.
Rationilise it all you want but its murder. It is the intentional premeditated killing of a living breathing human being.
To say that a womans abillity not to be inconvienced by the results of her own actions trumps that of another living humans to live is ludicrous.
Yu say that in some situations aborton s the least worst outcome, maybe for the mother, but not for her child.
There s no circunstance in whch abortion is better than any other course of action for that fetus, on that I think we can both agree at least.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I could care less what a mod said about the turd thing ed; it's a sad small and very childish insult you've 'snuck through'; how amusing (well, maybe for all of 5 - 10 seconds) but is that what you want this place descending to?
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I can also turn this question back to you, at what week can you say brain development is such that feelings and emotions are possible?
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
(......and as for your repeated use of the abortion pictures?
What did you think ed? Do you think some people don't know the whole business is unpleasant?
Originally posted by edsinger
Look the term was told as a way of not offending anyone by one of your liberal leaning Mods.
I cant call 'them' liberal leftist tree hugging sadist sickos. So I use turdblossom to lump them all into one as the fragrance fits.
Sadly I can not take credit for its creation.
Oh no you don't, from conception it is a human to me, it is still murder no matter how you look at it. The question you should be asking is when does if become justifiable murder?
Just so you know that was not a picture of an abortion, that was a picture of a surgical procedure on a parasite as you would call it.........amazing though isn't it?
Originally posted by mwm1331
You keep saying how undeveloped fetus are at that stage, so what?
I really dont get it.
If its human and alive, then what does its stage of development have to do with it?
Originally posted by devilwasp
Tell me, is a sperm human?
Is an embryo human?
What defines "human"?
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- I don't worry too much about that kind of thing DW.
To me it's (obviously) human sperm, a human egg and a human embryo.
......but I'm certainly not going to fret about and place the interests of the undeveloped unborn or unfertilised potential ahead of the actual born living.
To me the idea is absurd (and if we broaden it out it can look pretty nasty too when the sexual politics of it are considered in terms of forcing women and/or the poor to bear endless children or go without sex or face the consequences alone etc etc).
I do wonder about those who get so passionate about everything but the actual appalling lives of the living here already!
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
To me the idea is absurd (and if we broaden it out it can look pretty nasty too when the sexual politics of it are considered in terms of forcing women and/or the poor to bear endless children or go without sex or face the consequences alone etc etc).
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Of course there'll always be jibes, jokes and digs but referring to each other as sh*t or any of that, best avoided, wouldn't you say?