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Pharma billionaire and wife found dead in 'suspicious' case

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posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 05:40 PM
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Cutting to the nub of things, I don't see this as a professional hit. Having said that, in the world of crime, where rationality is not usually first up to bat, anything is possible.

Theoretically, it could be pros trying to make this look like the work of amateurs, but that, to me, is overcomplicated and convoluted. Possible but highly unlikely.

If I were investigating this crime I would be going over the movements of the Winter brothers in minute detail and thinking about things very thoroughly.

The criminologist said that the crime looked "personal" to him. Business can be personal too. It doesn't have to involve family or a double crossed friend to be personal, but the manner with which this crime was carried out seems almost deranged. Kerry Winter said in the interview embedded previously that he would have relished cutting off Mr. Sherman's head and rolling it around the parking lot of Apotex, but didn't do it, or anything else.

I'm sure the police have the Winter brothers under the microscope.

It is unfortunate that The Fifth Estate failed, in my opinion, to fully exploit the opportunity presented by the interview with Kerry Winter. The interviewer, Bob McKeown, is a highly respected investigative journalist who will always be remembered for exposing George W. Bush's assertion of having seen the impact of the first aircraft into the World Trade Center on 9/11 on television at a time when that first impact had not yet been televised. For a mainstream journalist, at that time, to challenge President Bush, took a certain amount of journalistic integrity.

One contrasts The Fifth Estate interview of Kerry Winter with Andrew Jarecki's interview of Robert Durst for the documentary series The Jinx.

Jarecki's team planned the final interview with Durst very carefully and, although the interview did not seem to be scripted in detail, Jarecki, brilliantly, got Durst to admit on camera that he could not tell which of two addresses, on letters sent to Susan Berman and the Los Angeles Police Department, that he had written. He couldn't tell the addresses (the hand printing) apart and one of them was believed to have been sent to the police by Susan Berman's killer, telling them where to find her body. This was the key moment in an otherwise innocuous interview, when Durst believed that he was home free. This is the moment that Jarecki nailed him, and so rattled him, that later in the washroom, still wearing a hot microphone, believing himself to be out of earshot, he admitted to "killing them all".

The golden moment for Bob McKeown came right at the end of his interview with Kerry Winter when he said,

"This would be asked of you by anybody. Did you kill Honey and Barry Sherman?"

Winter answered, "Absolutely not. I had nothing to do with it. I don't know who did it."

Kerry Winter is very controlled giving his answer. There is a lot of head movement as he does so. It makes it difficult to study his face carefully as he speaks, although at one instant, the raised eyebrow, to me at least, he appears to be peeking out from behind a mask.

To my way of thinking Bob McKeown went to a pro forma question when he asked if Kerry Winter had done the killings. It's the sort of thing Winter would undoubtedly have prepared for. I'm wondering what would have happened if McKeown had skipped a move after setting the question up and had asked if Mr. Winter knew who did the killings, first.

At the very least it might have thrown Kerry Winter out of his rhythm.
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posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 05:46 PM
a reply to: ipsedixit

I think 'organized crime hit' explains why it took so long for police to admit it was murder rather than a murder/suicide.

posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 06:46 PM
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I wish you had elaborated a little more. The way you write it, it sounds as if you believe the police are reluctant to accept organized crime hits as murders.

The way I see this, "murder/suicide" is the least likely possibility in this case. In order of preference I would say, personal vendetta style murder, murder within the family, murder by a business rival, murder by a professional acting for any of the above. In the last case, I think a professional would do the crime in the manner indicated only under protest (if he really was interested in his customer's welfare, i.e., his own welfare since they are the same in this situation) because doing it that way would simply move police interest up the line to one of the other categories.
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posted on Mar, 26 2018 @ 08:22 PM

I had a thought recently about this case. I was thinking that it might pay the police forensics people to carefully examine the footwear that Barry and Honey Sherman were wearing. I would be looking for fibres, fingerprints and DNA samples on the exterior of the footwear. It's too late to examine the deceased couple's ankles. Presumably that would have been done during the autopsy.

The staging of the crime has always struck me as peculiar. I think I understand now why it was done that way. I think the Shermans were still alive when they were strung up and that somebody who really didn't like them, held their feet out horizontally, watching them slowly strangle to death.

posted on May, 9 2018 @ 09:05 AM
The Toronto Star has published articles today that fill in more detail on the Sherman case investigation, particularly as to the issuing of search warrants and police reasons for having specifics contained in those warrants withheld from the public.

Due to the controversy surrounding the initial stages of the police investigation (the murder-suicide theory, now debunked), the Star argued in court that access to some or all of the warrant material would allow the public to scrutinize the activities of police. Why, for example, did the police think it was a murder-suicide?

In their response, the Toronto Police filed an affidavit from police detective Dennis Yim of the 32 Division, Major Crime Unit. He has been seconded to the homicide squad under the direction of Detective Sergeant Susan Gomes.

In court, Yim, and Crown attorney Peter Scrutton, provided numerous reasons to maintain the seal.

They also deal with issues around the two autopsies and how the police came to change their view of the case from murder/suicide to double murder. For more than a month Honey Sherman was the only victim listed on police search warrants. Does this indicate a possible fumble by investigators during the important early days of the investigation? omicide.html

Veteran forensic pathologist Dr. David Chiasson stood beside Barry Sherman’s body on the stainless steel table, preparing to do a second, private autopsy. Natural light filtered through the frosted glass windows of the modern Ontario coroner’s building. Three private detectives, former homicide cops, stood nearby.

The skin was missing from around Sherman’s wrists, surgically removed by another pathologist several days before in the first examination, the official autopsy requested by the police. The same had been done to Honey Sherman’s wrists.

Why? Chiasson wondered. The answer, provided to Chiasson by the first pathologist, and other pieces of information learned that day last December eventually changed the police theory on the Sherman deaths from murder-suicide to double homicide.

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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:35 AM
There has been a new development in the investigation of the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman. r.html

The private investigation team assembled by the four children of Barry and Honey Sherman announced a $10-million reward and something unprecedented in Canadian history: a “public-private partnership” in which the Sherman family’s detectives will obtain tips and information and pass them on to the Toronto Police homicide squad.

Apparently the Chief of the Toronto Police Service is happy about the offer of a reward, but is more reserved about other aspects of the offer. The handling of evidence in this way might pose problems in court. This is being looked into by legal authorities.

The murder happened roughly ten months ago. The Sherman family legal team, in making this move, offering the reward and intensifying their parallel investigation of the crime, have cited examples of slowness in the police investigation, an alleged failure to fully examine the Sherman home where the murders took place and extended periods of time required to take fingerprints of people who have said that they were in the home close to the time of the murders.

I think the reward is definitely a good idea, but the channeling of tips and potential evidence through the Sherman team of investigators and their lawyer is problematic. Earlier in the thread I discussed this in detail in relation to the murder of Kathy Durst and the Durst family's use of their own investigator. It is alleged that they covered up evidence and stymied the police investigation of that crime. Robert Durst went on to murder two more people.

It has been said that the Sherman murders may have been related to Sherman's pharmaceutical business. Have the police looked into what difference the murder of Barry Sherman has made to the business. Has that murder led to any significant improvement in anybody else's fortunes or opportunities? That would be looking into the qui bono angle. Who profited?

If the crimes were revenge murders, revenge itself would be the profit. One would have to look carefully at Sherman's enemies. Kerry Winter, one of the sons of Sherman's first business partner would be one, for reasons explained earlier in the thread. A reward of ten million dollars might be quite useful here. Assuming that the Winter brothers had something to hide, which is not being alleged by me, their solidarity might not withstand a ten million dollar inducement to talk.

Police resources being limited, as they are, this case could take years to close, without help. The Sherman family appear to want results more quickly than that. Revenge again?
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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 05:23 AM
The relationship between the Toronto police and the Sherman family investigation team is not going smoothly, at least in the eyes of the Toronto Police Service. How significant this grinding of gears is, if it is significant, will not be known for a while. The reward offered by the Sherman family is probably the most important investigative tool being employed at the moment, barring the discovery of tell tale DNA by either of the teams' forensic investigators.

More search warrants and production orders have been issued. The objects of these authorizations have not been disclosed to the public. ice.html

A bag filled with fibres vacuumed from the indoor pool room where murder victims Barry and Honey Sherman were discovered has been turned over to Toronto police detectives by the Sherman family private investigation team.

That handover comes several weeks after police warned the Sherman family’s lawyer they would seek a judicial warrant if potential evidence was not immediately handed over, sources close to the case have told the Star.

An earring discovered in the driveway has also being turned over by the private team.

The development continues an acrimonious relationship that has been building for ten months between the Sherman family and Toronto police.

Correction: Kerry Winter is not the son of Barry Sherman's first business partner, but rather the son of Sherman's uncle, who gave Barry Sherman his start in the generic drugs business and whose company Sherman, with a partner, eventually bought following this person's death. Terms of the purchase eventually became the subject of lengthy litigation between Sherman and Kerry Winter and his brothers.
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