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Yes, it seems page was under surveillance from before. But much like Manafort, they had to apply for a new fisa warrant. Or do you think that all of the reports of the summer 2016 warrant on page are wrong?
Again, this isn't something I am just making up. The cnn article did claim that sources said the dossier was used for things like the fisa warrant.
This includes approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page, two of the officials said. Last year, Page was identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser on national security.
Officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor Page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the FBI had corroborated the information through its own investigation. The officials would not say what or how much was corroborated.
The point is, if this is true, do you agree it would be a big scandal.
I wonder if people would provide the same scrutiny on Trump threads?
"How dare you make a thread saying if Trump colluded it would be bad!!! There is no reason to discuss that"
Wednesday 12 April 2017 04.27 BST
The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of Carter Page, an adviser to then presidential candidate Donald Trump, over suspicions he was a Russian agent, the Washington Post has reported.
Page is among the Trump associates under scrutiny as the FBI and congressional committees investigate whether any of them colluded with Moscow to skew the 2016 election in Trump’s favour.
Both Page and Trump have denied any wrongdoing and portrayed the investigations as a witch-hunt.
But the investigations continue to haunt the Trump administration.
Again, the people that paid for this, BOTH the Republican and democrats that were 8nvolved with paying steele, are responsible for points 1, 2, and 3.
And again, all three of those are true even if this wasn't used for fisa warrants.
The real corruption here would be on the part of the fbi and Obama administration.
They knew where the document came from. They knew it was paid opposition research to a foreign agent who used Kremlin sources.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler
Obama using FISA warrants to spy on Trump is a fantasy, as the investigation will eventually show.
September 23, 2016
U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine whether an American businessman identified by Donald Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers has opened up private communications with senior Russian officials — including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president, according to multiple sources who have been briefed on the issue.
A senior U.S. law enforcement official did not dispute that characterization when asked for comment by Yahoo News. “It’s on our radar screen,” said the official about Page’s contacts with Russian officials. “It’s being looked at.”
January 11, 2017
Tasos Katopodis/AFP/Getty Images
FBI Director James Comey was personally aware of reports from a "credible" Western former intelligence agent about Russia's alleged "cultivating, supporting, and assisting" of President-elect Donald Trump and his campaign, The Guardian reported late Tuesday, because Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) personally handed them to Comey in a Dec. 9 meeting, according to "a source aware of the meeting."
The Russia-Trump dossier began as opposition research during the campaign, but "its author was sufficiently alarmed by what he discovered to send a copy to the FBI," The Guardian says, and McCain, who was informed about the allegations from "an intermediary from a Western allied state," then "dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source," whom he was "sufficiently impressed" with to feel obliged to pass the allegations on to Comey. But FBI agents were already concerned enough about ties between Trump's inner circle and Russia that they had sought court approval to monitor campaign officials, The Guardian reports:
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The FISA court turned down the application, asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. [The Guardian]
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Painterz
Correct me if I'm wrong though, this revelation doesn't demonstrate the contents of the dossier are false, simply who paid for the research to be conducted?
And we always knew that somebody paid for the research to be conducted, and it always seemed a reasonable bet it would be a political opponent of Trump?
Even if every single allegation in the dossier were true, it is so much less concerning than allowing a sitting president to have his party pay foreign agents for info that is then used for secret warrants to survey their opponents.
If we allow this, our entire political system is dead.
As for the dossier itself, some of it has been proven to be absolutely wrong like the Cohen meeting.
But now that an investigation is going, by all means it should continue.
Everything in the OP in no way proves Trump or his team are innocent.
So it got denied because they needed more info.
Then the FBI got the dossier. Then the reapplied for a fisa warrant and got it.
The FISA court turned down the application, asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus.