CRIMINAL Investigation Into OBAMA Admin Dealings With RUSSIA.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

Not unexpected and nothing really new here, except that the FBI informant is talking.

Also, I don't believe the FBI uncovered a bribery scheme. They helped facilitate it, if I remember correctly.

This is one piece of a more complicated matter. I heard yesterday that Bill Clinton met with Russians to facilitate "something" for his wife, Secretary of State Hillary.

We "hear" a lot of things. Though, I thought the "facilitation" went to the CF and not to Hillary, or her campaign, directly.

If the latter is true, things become more complicated and difficult.

The Clinton Foundation did rake in $2 Billion dollars. A lot of $$$.
en.wikipedia.org...

As the investigations get underway in earnest, we'll learn more. This "matter" has real people/real meetings/real paper-trails. Not going to be Witch-Hunt II.

a reply to: carewemust

Why do you call her a cowgirl? Do you call Trump a baseball player? Or is it different when you sell the hats you wear for a profit?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

a reply to: Hazardous1408
The same could almost be said, except people have put the lines out in the open with Hillary. People have been talking about her issues for a long time, since before Bill was even president. Nobody has anything on par with that in relation to Trump. Not that I know of anyway.

a reply to: ausername
Yeah, that could be the easiest out for all of it.

originally posted by: Regnor
a reply to: carewemust

Why do you call her a cowgirl? Do you call Trump a baseball player? Or is it different when you sell the hats you wear for a profit?

I'm sorry. I should have said, "Wanna-be Cowgirl". My mistake!

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Bread and circuses... From both parties.

Nobody of note is going to jail, some peon will be tossed in jail/suicided congress will say see we are not corrupt and business will continue as usual.

My usual reaction too to things like this. I'm grown fairly skeptical of the potential for that level of politicians or leaders to be held accountable.

You may be right. I was amazed when President Trump said after being elected that "Hillary had suffered enough". What happened to "Lock Her Up!" ??

As much as I would love to see some of these knotheads goes down for this, I fear it will never happen. They had more than enough on the private server deal and nothing came of it. I know Comey was in bed with them which I think play a huge role, but I don't see much changing with who would be in charge now. I hope I'm wrong on so many levels. It sure makes me sleep better at night though to see some of this in the news.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Bread and circuses... From both parties.

Nobody of note is going to jail, some peon will be tossed in jail/suicided congress will say see we are not corrupt and business will continue as usual.

My usual reaction too to things like this. I'm grown fairly skeptical of the potential for that level of politicians or leaders to be held accountable.

You may be right. I was amazed when President Trump said after being elected that "Hillary had suffered enough". What happened to "Lock Her Up!" ??

Right, it's just like Bush Jr. was never held accountable for torture or the war in Iraq. It's a shared code of omerta, or non-prosecution.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Bread and circuses... From both parties.

Nobody of note is going to jail, some peon will be tossed in jail/suicided congress will say see we are not corrupt and business will continue as usual.

My usual reaction too to things like this. I'm grown fairly skeptical of the potential for that level of politicians or leaders to be held accountable.

You may be right. I was amazed when President Trump said after being elected that "Hillary had suffered enough". What happened to "Lock Her Up!" ??

Right, it's just like Bush Jr. was never held accountable for torture or the war in Iraq. It's a shared code of omerta, or non-prosecution.

I'm not sure what we accomplished with the Iraq War...if it was worth the many U.S. deaths. People were pretty adamant that Vietnam was a "bad" war. What about Iraq...same?

Torture is worthwhile in certain cases.

GOP found their new Benghazi to distract their masses.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

a reply to: Grambler

You were doing well ... focusing on factual statements ... and then BAM, BS.

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

Bernie endorsed the anointed Obama replacement. He doesn't appear to be someone who is easily intimidated. But for the good of the party, he probably bit his upper lip and reluctantly gave Hillary his backing.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

Bernie endorsed the anointed Obama replacement. He doesn't appear to be someone who is easily intimidated. But for the good of the party, he probably bit his upper lip and reluctantly gave Hillary his backing.

not probably. its in black and white as facts that he bent to their will, which doesnt say much for his character, nor does it say much for the party he supposedly represents thats willing to do that to their own. i should probly add that im not trying to stick up for republicans or try to talkbad about democrats, i find this type of thing all to common on both sides of the aisle and i wish some of these politicians would have the willpower to abandon their party so they can represent exactly what they are without having to fight the contradictions

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

Bernie endorsed the anointed Obama replacement. He doesn't appear to be someone who is easily intimidated. But for the good of the party, he probably bit his upper lip and reluctantly gave Hillary his backing.

Bernie Sanders was an Independent for his entire political career until he ran for President and he’s gone back to being an Independent since.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

Bernie endorsed the anointed Obama replacement. He doesn't appear to be someone who is easily intimidated. But for the good of the party, he probably bit his upper lip and reluctantly gave Hillary his backing.

Bernie Sanders was an Independent for his entire political career until he ran for President and he’s gone back to being an Independent since.

I see. Thanks for that info. I mistakenly thought he was/is a Democrat. In that case, Hillary shouldn't have had so much influence over him.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

Bernie endorsed the anointed Obama replacement. He doesn't appear to be someone who is easily intimidated. But for the good of the party, he probably bit his upper lip and reluctantly gave Hillary his backing.

Bernie Sanders was an Independent for his entire political career until he ran for President and he’s gone back to being an Independent since.

But he endorsed Hillary Clinton for President.

Bet he voted that way too.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Wow! Crazy times indeed.

I remember asking some people who had worked on Obama's election campaigns as to why the Democrats during the 2016 election didn't highlight the Trump family ties to the mafia in NYC and related corruption? Immediate answer: "Because many Democrats are likely in bed with them too in NYC."

Ties to the U.S. Mafia might be acceptable to Democrats and Republicans. Democrats don't like investment banks and Wall Street, from what I gather.

Is that what you gather?... After Obama bailed out the big banks in 2008/2009?

After Obama and Clinton were paid b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ ̶ "speaking fees" for talks at banker events?

I take it that Bernie Sanders is not a "Real" Democrat then? He constantly consistently 100% bashes Wall Street, Investment Bakers, Big Pharmaceuticals, and a few other "BIG" entities.

i guess u missed the part when the democrats took bernies presidential run out back and shot it in the head. shows u what the democrats think of bernie

Bernie endorsed the anointed Obama replacement. He doesn't appear to be someone who is easily intimidated. But for the good of the party, he probably bit his upper lip and reluctantly gave Hillary his backing.

Bernie Sanders was an Independent for his entire political career until he ran for President and he’s gone back to being an Independent since.

I see. Thanks for that info. I mistakenly thought he was/is a Democrat. In that case, Hillary shouldn't have had so much influence over him.

Influence? He seems to have thought, like most Americans who voted, that someone else besdies Trump would make a better President. He seems to have been Thinking pretty clearly, based on what we’ve seen.