About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: MotherMayEye

First, I was wrong about the leaked pics coming from FBI Anon -- I tracked down the leaked photos to Fox Boston 25, which claims they come from "police" sources. Maybe FBI Anon has other pics and I got them confused, but the ones I've seen came from Boston 25. My apologies!

Boston 25 News obtains exclusive photos of Las Vegas shooter's guns

Did you look him up? Jesus Campos?

I did look Jesus Campos up, and in large part because I didn't like what I was getting from the MSM -- it felt like they were trying to downplay him while praising his heroism... but even the praise felt lukewarm. And when I read the article from a well known Las Vegas newsite that could only devote a few short paragraphs to their hometown hero, I wondered why they didn't want us looking at Jesus Campos. So I did. The two best articles I found were at the Daily Beast and Business Insider:

Unarmed Security Guard Took On Las Vegas Killer Stephen Paddock

'I was just doing my job': Security guard credited with diverting gunfire away from Las Vegas concert

They filled in a few blanks, and they provided the blockaded stairwells bit, and that Campos was responding to reports of a "commotion" -- but not gunfire? -- so presumably his actions can be accounted for immediately before and during the start of the gunfire outside, as we know he had radio contact with his dispatch, and then physical contact with police.

However, there are about three minutes of crucial details unaccounted for. Everything we learn just seems to beg more questions. I cannot believe that press didn't think to ask those crucial questions. For some reason we're not supposed to know.

He also would have had on a security jacket (like the guy witnessed being chased). Jesus Campos and the guy being chased could have been the ones that set up Paddock as a patsy....maybe posing as interested gun buyers.

Maybe, and I'll keep it in mind if only to be able to rule it out somewhere down the line... but I think Campos is a good guy! And I want to keep believing that!!! We'll find out together, eh?

"International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America" were the ones to identify Campos as the injured security guard.

THAT is an interesting organization. Imagine all the places their members provide security for.

It occurred to me that GS4 would be members as well... but I cannot find any more of a connection.

a reply to: Boadicea


They got them off 4Chan (posted by FBI Anon) and then claimed them as being from their own "source".

Typical media lying...again. The media is the slipperiest, slimiest bunch of whores on this planet!

ETA...They were maybe the first media outlet to publish them, but they got them from 4Chan

a reply to: Boadicea

Some points of interest about hotel security guards and unions.

(article Sept 13, 2017)
Security officers union at Mandalay Bay votes to sign 3-year contract

The newly selected security officers union at Mandalay Bay has voted to sign an initial three-year contract with the south Strip resort.

...
In December, security guards at the resort approved representation in a 163-79 vote, becoming part of Local 2121 within the union’s Casino Hotel Industry Police division.

Union leaders began working in Las Vegas in May to negotiate terms of the first contract.

Workers at Mandalay Bay have been the only MGM resort security officers to vote for union representation by SPFPA. Votes at Excalibur and Circus Circus rejected the union.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don't know why Campos would even approach the room without being armed.

My take on that is that he was sent to check out the "commotion" before the shooting started. So he was already on his way, and just kept going. He may have more testosterone than common sense.

And it is very odd that Paddock allegedly had cameras set up in the hallway...

I'm not sure he did. I specifically read at one point that the cameras were not operating at all. Not to record, not to livestream, nothing. Which would explain how Campos was able to get right up to the hotel room door without being seen inside the room -- and shot much sooner. So either Paddock didn't know what he was doing...

Or maybe he did. And those cameras were set up perfectly to capture the gun deal he expected to go down inside the hotel room... but he got caught... and that's when all hell broke loose. We don't know when the cart was placed outside.

...and managed to barricade the stairway doors, too.

Perhaps the cart was in front of the stairway door? I have no idea what is meant by "barricade." It could be a lot of things at this point.

That is just a lot to get away with before the actual shooting ever got started. But the narrative wouldn't make sense without those details to explain things.

We are definitely getting only those details they want us to hear to come to the right conclusions... their right conclusions.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Oh what rats! Because I guess in their twisted minds an anonymous self-proclaimed FBI agent is "a" police source...

Thank you for clarifying that. I wondered how I had got that wrong!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

judging by your handle I'm guessing you work in, or are associated with, fire-rescue in some capacity. So let me ask you a question... If you are dispatched to a burning building with people inside, is it better to wait an hour before entering that building? Or, is it better to enter that building sooner, like a lot sooner? You don't know what's going to happen, but in an hour whatever it is is almost certainly going to be worse, right?

Yes belong to small fire department - when we get call have to assess situation. Burning building - yes we do go in after situation sizeup, if building shows signs of collapse or if structure is heavily involved may remain outside and fight fire
using heavy master streams to knock down fire enough to try entry.

Some things you do not rush into - haz mat situations. Stay back, establish perimeter and wait for haz mat squad

In some situations can do quick grab and run if spot victims . We are not supermen or a suicide squad - everything
is determined by degree of risk

in addition breaching doors are not easy - we practice this regularly . Using hand tools can take several minutes to gain entry .

Assume door in high end hotel are more substantial than cheap hollow core doors find in many homes

Metal doors are very difficult to breach

Even using hydraulic tool called rabbet tool, which insert between door and jamb, when pumped will spread door
enough to pop open still takes time to create purchase point (often need to hammer head of tool in jamb)

This is not Hollywood where everything is quick and easy - as said Reality is a b*tch.....

a reply to: Boadicea>>>> Some people have been doing some digging and if their information is correct, and the posts aren't deliberate misleads, then Paddock may have been into human( specifically child) trafficking. He was linked to some kind of school in Vermont as an accountant and his planes lead a trail to companies alleged to be into pedogate. The Franklin cover up. I don't buy for a minute that he made his money being a gambler, that was either a ruse to explain his money or he did that as a hobby. But the question is, was this guy a patsy or a willing participant in the shooting? If you're into that trafficking you don't have a soul so mass murder wouldn't be a stretch.

a reply to: Dutchowl

I hadn't heard that. I had wondered about drug running... but not human trafficking. Do you recall where the connections were being made? By who? I'd like to read more about it.

Looks like we'll have more answers tomorrow night:

In an interview airing Sunday on "60 Minutes," three police officers who stormed Stephen Paddock's hotel room in the Mandalay Bay hotel tell correspondent Bill Whitaker new details about the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. The officers were the first to see Paddock's body and the arsenal of weapons and ammunition he had stockpiled.

Officer Dave Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

Note in Las Vegas gunman's hotel room included details of bullet trajectory

a reply to: Boadicea

They figured out what the numbers are?

So, not entirely "spray and pray."

a reply to: Boadicea

Think about that for a while.

Does that make sense???

He could find that same info in 2 seconds on the web, but no, he's going to take the time to calculate it manually. Not very bright for a gambling mastermind, don't you think?

Or,...it's a ruse, another piece of making up the narrative.

I think the latter. Suckers might buy that, but I dont!!!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Boadicea

They figured out what the numbers are?

So, not entirely "spray and pray."

Apparently not. It sounds like this guy knows what he's talking about.

I wonder if there was more written on the paper?

a reply to: Boadicea

Be ware of red herrings on that "show".

a reply to: Boadicea

Have you got some of these available?

(salt)

originally posted by: Boadicea

I'm not sure he did. I specifically read at one point that the cameras were not operating at all. Not to record, not to livestream, nothing. Which would explain how Campos was able to get right up to the hotel room door without being seen inside the room -- and shot much sooner. So either Paddock didn't know what he was doing...

Ah...did you read then how Paddock knew Campos was outside the door when he shot through the door and hit him??

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: intrptr

M'kay... thank you... (she said through gritted teeth!)

I think I'll make my hubby look first and prepare me...

Enjoy the flea market

I did.

Make sure you warn him too about the grizzly content of crime scene photos, first. Cant stress that enough. One must not be squeamish abut the look of death and blood.

a reply to: Boadicea

No way!!! It's totally fabricated BS!!

That or it was planted, to further the "Ninja" narrative.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Boadicea

Think about that for a while.

Does that make sense???

He could find that same info in 2 seconds on the web, but no, he's going to take the time to calculate it manually. Not very bright for a gambling mastermind, don't you think?

It makes sense to me... I would have absolutely no idea what to look for online! It's not like he could just look up "proper trajectory for shooting Route 91 festival from Room 135 on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay." I would assume he had to look up at least some coordinates and specifications, and then did the math.

What doesn't make sense to me is that if this was planned, then why hadn't he figured that out long before? Especially in terms of deciding which weapons to bring and use? It seems to me that would have been part of the decision making. A very vital and crucial part of the decision making.

Unless it was a last minute decision. Either by him or someone else.

Or,...it's a ruse, another piece of making up the narrative.

I think the latter. Suckers might buy that, but I dont!!!

I sure can't rule that out either! I'll give this guy the benefit of the doubt for now... and I'll watch the interview for myself... see what he has to say and how he says it... and we'll see what I think then, eh?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea

Be ware of red herrings on that "show".

I'll sure try... but thanks for the warning!

ETA: Gotta keep your friends close and your enemies closer, right?

a reply to: Boadicea

No you would just look up "bullet drop for 55 grain .223". Try it! You'll get hundreds of results.

To do the calculations you néed to know a number of fairly complex physics calculations, plus you need detailed data on the cartridge loading (i.e. energy, etc). He wouldn't have this data unless he loaded the ammo himself.