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About the Vegas Killer... newest info

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posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Krakatoa

Thank you for that (finally). I figured it would only be a matter of time before the muzzle flash debate would be debunked.

He just stayed back from the window.

Plus, everyone keeps making a big deal out of him breaking the windows with the hammer that was found. What's to say he just didn't shoot them out. This would explain the two alleged muffled individual shots at the very beginning of the firing.



Good point about the muffled shots. He might have shot a few times to fracture the glass, then used the mini sledge to break a larger hole. Takes a lot less energy to do that than trying to break it with just the mini sledge. Those windows are strong, unless weakened by a gunshot or two. Then it would break free rather easily at that point.




posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Krakatoa

I maintain it happened differently than that. If you look at the blood on those casings it's thick and congealed. It is my humble opinion the blood got on those casings when they rolled him over after finding him face down, hence the two different densities of blood stains in that area. The congealed blood from the exit wound in the top back of his skull splattered blood when they rolled him over.


I agree with that. But it still satisfies my prior statement that he was dead, no heart pumping, and only gravity pulling blood form the head wound. Therefore, it pools around the shell casings already on the floor. The blood would not defy gravity and run up over those shell casings.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Boadicea

Is that a theory, about dealing guns, or have you heard or read something?


I read it in an article about the gun store owners who had sold to him in the past, and specifically the Guns and Guitars store, but I cannot find it now.

I specifically recall the gun store owner being quoted as saying that Paddock had brought weapons in to sell at the store also, and that there was one of Paddock's weapons hanging on the wall right now. He also said something about Paddock selling and trading at gun shows, and I recall that because IAMTAT has suggested that Paddock may have brought the weapons for a gun show being held in Vegas last week. So I thought of IAMTAT's comment when I read that.

But, like I said, I cannot find it now.

Maybe someone decided it wasn't such a good idea to tell the whole world about that firearm and it was deleted from press reports... but I remember reading it.

And maybe gun "dealer" isn't the best word for what he did, but he definitely bought and sold weapons.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Gun "dealer" may not be the best term for what he did, but I specifically read about him buying and selling weapons. In particular, in an interview with the owner of a gun store who said Paddock bought guns and also brought in guns to be sold, and he had one on the wall right now. Also, something about selling at gun shows.... which reminded me of a comment IAMTAT suggesting the same. So my mind probably wandered and I don't remember that comment as well as I probably should.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

No problem.

You make an interesting point about his possibly going to a gun show though. I did see that sign in one of the pictures. For some reason though I thought it was upcoming, not last week. Hmmmm..



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
Whoa!!!

Wendy Miller from Cooroy, on the Sunshine Coast, was also caught up in the attack.

She was at a bar in the nearby Luxor Hotel with her husband when she saw what she described as a “man of interest” run by.

“We managed to make our way back to our room…” she told The Courier-Mail.

“We are in lock down.

“Our door is dead locked and a chair against the door.”

Ms Miller said the man sprinted through her hotel after coming off an escalator from the Mandalay Bay.

“The man that they [security] were chasing was wearing a security jacket like them,” she said.


Maybe it was just a coward saving his own sorry hide... or maybe not.

Lots more witness accounts at the article -- including assertions of multiple shooters.

Las Vegas shooting: Queensland eyewitness to Mandalay attack


I also like your possible theories. Particularly, I am compelled by the theory that he was there to sell guns for FBI/CIA/? and then set up/made a patsy for a false flag...and some things played out unexpectedly.

It works nicely with the eyewitness account(s) you posted, above, that a man with a 'security' jacket was being chased.

That would allow the *real shooter(s)* to have had a good plan for escaping/slipping out unseen if they had *Security* jackets with them and just put them on and slipped out the door or thought they could blend in with the other first responding security. But maybe the wrong person saw them/him and a chase ensued.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk




Friday, Oct. 6, 2017 | 12:21 p.m.
Las Vegas gun show canceled after mass shooting

lasvegassun.com...



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Krakatoa

Thank you for that (finally). I figured it would only be a matter of time before the muzzle flash debate would be debunked.

He just stayed back from the window.

Plus, everyone keeps making a big deal out of him breaking the windows with the hammer that was found. What's to say he just didn't shoot them out. This would explain the two alleged muffled individual shots at the very beginning of the firing.



Good point about the muffled shots. He might have shot a few times to fracture the glass, then used the mini sledge to break a larger hole. Takes a lot less energy to do that than trying to break it with just the mini sledge. Those windows are strong, unless weakened by a gunshot or two. Then it would break free rather easily at that point.


You break a window in a casino. Wouldn't you think security and cops would be swarming to that room. what took so long? Where are the drone videos investigating? All LE has drone tec to survey the situation now.

This thing stinks....



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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Something just occurred to me. All this time I've been of the mind that the photos which show him dead on the floor, and the other couple pictures of the room, were "leaked" photos from someone within one of the agencies who entered the room following the shooting.

What if they're not? They're certainly not crime scene photos, that's for certain. They're framed improperly, and they were taken without a flash. Considering the source of these photos (FBI Anon on 4Chan), maybe they weren't taken by any of the authorities at all, but rather by someone who was in the room, or someone who entered the room and left before the authorities arrived. They do look hastily taken, and the room is pretty dark. Seems like the authorities would turn on every light in the place as soon as the scene was secured. Also, you don't see any other people in the room (not even legs). Seems like the room would be mobbed with crime scene investigators following an event like this.

I'm not a 4Chan person so I haven't followed FBI Anon's thread there, so I don't know what he said about the origin of the photos, but he's been dead-on on some other issues. (I mean DEAD-on too! This dude is well connected somewhere inside the alphabet agencies...I don't think FBI though).
edit on 10/7/2017 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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Someone should post that youtube link regarding being a undercover agent to anonymous' twitter account and ask them to confirm/deny



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Good point about the drones for sure!! One would think they would have surveyed the room from outside with a drone before entering. They certainly had plenty of time while they waited on SWAT!



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: olaru12



You break a window in a casino. Wouldn't you think security and cops would be swarming to that room. what took so long? Where are the drone videos investigating? All LE has drone tec to survey the situation now.


Wasn't like broke windows then waited couple hours - starting shooting right after

Once started shooting - cops would have other things to do, like clear people out of line of fire, take casualties to
hospital and find and neutralize shooter

As for drone - think cops carry everywhere they go, probably be in specialized unit or maybe in Swat

Even then shooter was only firing for 10 minutes or so, hardly time to break drone out, setup and begin flying



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


You make an interesting point about his possibly going to a gun show though.


To that extent, it also seems to me that there might have been a whole lot of gun folks in town for the show, including folks making private deals -- legitimate and not-so-legitimate -- on the side.

And this is more of an impression I've gotten from the gun talk, and less from my own knowledge or experience, but Paddock was known for buying expensive high powered weaponry that wasn't as easily obtained by others, yes? Especially those with the money but couldn't pass a background check? So wouldn't that make those weapons quite valuable on the black market?

Or am I assuming too much?



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Uh oh... were your ears burning??? I didn't mean to talk about you out of turn


Thanks for posting about the cancellation of the gun show!



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Drones! Yes!!! I suppose there may have been some logistical or other practical reasons for not using drones, but it sure seems the ideal use for them....



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

With it being gun show week in Vegas...a guy with 13 cases might not draw as much attention.

I've gone to many conventions in Vegas.
I usually stay at MB...because it connects directly to the convention center.

Exhibitors at Vegas conventions (any type of convention) often keep stock in their rooms...especially if they show up early before they are allowed to set up their booths.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

An interesting point you've brought up. I would assume it's likely whoever took the photos was taking them on their phone some time after when other investigators were distracted.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

My mind is spinning now.

What if those pictures weren't taken by investigators at all... but by whoever did it... long before the police or investigators even got there.

We need to know what else the security guard heard and saw. He knows more but he's been ordered not to talk. I'm sure of it.



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

I was in Canada, all week, and I have not been able to follow all the details as they have emerged and am overwhelmed with the thread sizes on this shooting. I don't even know where to begin!

Has Jesus Campos been discussed in-depth in this thread or elsewhere? I have only skimmed his story but it really reeks. He is suspect #2 and right behind Paddock if this is a false flag.

ETA: With a suspect #3 being the security guy that witnesses saw being chased!
edit on 10/7/2017 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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As authorities search for a motive, Paddock’s finances have become a significant focal point — most notably, 200-plus casino or wire transactions by Paddock that were flagged for review by FinCEN, the U.S. government’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, which collects data to identify potential money laundering or covert terrorism financing. The FBI is also reviewing transactions by Danley that were flagged by FinCEN. According to a source familiar with the probe, the various transactions date back to 2014 and are being vigorously investigated.

www.yahoo.com...



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