About the Vegas Killer... newest info

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

My mind is spinning now.

What if those pictures weren't taken by investigators at all... but by whoever did it... long before the police or investigators even got there.

We need to know what else the security guard heard and saw. He knows more but he's been ordered not to talk. I'm sure of it.

What photos? I need a link, please, if you have one

The only photos of the room/body, I saw, had police tape over the double-doorway and a bullet hole riddled door OFF THE HINGES and on its side CONVENIENTLY allowing anyone -- like a local news person -- to get some decent photos of a staged scene through the open portion at the top left corner of the doorway. Obviously, that unhinged door could have been placed to block more of the view, but it was left on its side...

...for photos that could surface to sell the official narrative.

Or that's how it *felt* to me.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am compelled by the theory that he was there to sell guns for FBI/CIA/? and then set up/made a patsy for a false flag...and some things played out unexpectedly.

Given his interest in weapons and the upcoming gun show, if it isn't what brought him to town, it certainly would make him less conspicuous and less suspicious if all the guns became known. And if it was an ATF sting or trap, then it would be the best time to pull it off, when the targets would most likely be there and looking to buy.

That would allow the *real shooter(s)* to have had a good plan for escaping/slipping out unseen if they had *Security* jackets with them

Interestingly enough, speaking of escaping, the I-15 is a hop, skip and a jump from the hotel and the Strip right there. Runs parallel, with Mandalay Bay in between.

But maybe the wrong person saw them/him and a chase ensued.

I've wondered if maybe someone from Mandalay Bay radioed ahead to security that he was on the way and they were watching for him.

originally posted by: Boadicea

We need to know what else the security guard heard and saw. He knows more but he's been ordered not to talk. I'm sure of it.

Did you look him up? Jesus Campos?

That story is really stretched. He also would have had on a security jacket (like the guy witnessed being chased). Jesus Campos and the guy being chased could have been the ones that set up Paddock as a patsy....maybe posing as interested gun buyers.

Maybe Paddock clued in and managed to shoot Campos before being subdued and suicided. Campos wasn't wounded so bad that he wasn't able to stay and help police clear people from their rooms until he was "ordered to leave because he was wounded."

"International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America" were the ones to identify Campos as the injured security guard.

THAT is an interesting organization. Imagine all the places their members provide security for.

a reply to: firerescue

Not exactly. The entire event lasted 1 hour and 12 minutes, plenty of time to deploy a drone.

The shooting stopped in 10-11 minutes, but it still took SWAT another whole 60 minutes to get there...why? In fact, SWAT took an additional 25 minutes to get there from the time the first LEO's arrived on the 32nd floor. I'm sorry, but I am not going to let this little detail go. Bottom line...SWAT took a very long time to get to the scene...especially in a city with high value targets like Las Vegas. Way too long!

That aside, why not surveil the building before SWAT entered (once they got there)?

I think the drone question is a valid one. I'm actually kind of surprised some civilian didn't have a drone nearby. Lots of people drive around with them now just hoping to scoop a story like this.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

We can't post links to the photos, it's a 'Serious T&C' violation. Numerous people have already been smacked down by Mods for doing this alread. Sorry. The pictures are very graphic.

However, if you want to see a couple of the less graphic ones go to page 143 in the main thread.

Best I can do, sorry.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

What photos? I need a link, please, if you have one

I don't think we need a link -- we're talking about the same photos plastered all over. But what happened is that the photos of the body and guns strewn all over the hotel room were leaked via "FBI Anon" on 4chan, and some official police photos were released very soon after that -- like the same day, I think. And since then, I've noticed that the pictures have been presented side-by-side as one collection, as if all were released by the police.

In the one pic we did see with police tape across the busted out door and the remaining door (I assume it was a double door entry), this was obviously taken after the room was processed and "sealed." But we can see how well lit it is, and we can see the little yellow evidence marker by the gun. But in other pics, the room is dark, and there are no evidence markers around the guns or the body or the ammo or anything. So these pics must have been taken before the scene was processed. I'll look up "police release first pics" and see if we can narrow it down.

The only photos of the room/body, I saw, had police tape over the double-doorway and a bullet hole riddled door OFF THE HINGES and on its side CONVENIENTLY allowing anyone -- like a local news person -- to get some decent photos of a staged scene through the open portion at the top left corner of the doorway. Obviously, that unhinged door could have been placed to block more of the view, but it was left on its side...

...for photos that could surface to sell the official narrative.

Or that's how it *felt* to me.

Like when the San Bernardino killers' home was left open for the media and anyone and everyone to rummage through? Like that???

a reply to: Boadicea

I am thinking if this shooting is a false flag, the *real shooters* had security jackets so that no one would even suspect them if they were seen with guns or near the room or if anything went wrong...like Paddock maybe shooting one of them.

It could be explained away if the *real shooters* had security jackets with them.

And, if Campos was in on it, he would keep any secrets just to cover his own butt and not because he was told to/threatened by anyone.

Notice how the media is making him out to be a hero....maybe he was.

But maybe he wasn't.

I don't know why Campos would even approach the room without being armed. And it is very odd that Paddock allegedly had cameras set up in the hallway and managed to barricade the stairway doors, too. That is just a lot to get away with before the actual shooting ever got started. But the narrative wouldn't make sense without those details to explain things.

a reply to: Boadicea

Didn't even think about the evidence markers, that's also a good point. Of course that still leaves open the notion they could have been taken by the first responders (SWAT presumably). Just seems very odd though (the pictures), now that I think about them.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's not really possible to barricade a stairwell door because they open "into" the stairwell, not out. Any barricade could easily be removed by SWAT inside the stairwell. This must be some sort of a misunderstanding, because short of welding the door shut there's not really any way to secure it in the direction of swing. They're designed this way for exactly this reason...so they cannot be barricaded.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yes, I have seen those then! Thanks!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Speaking of SWAT---does anyone know if this was the Las Vegas SWAT or was it FBI SWAT or some combination of both? If it was Vegas police only responding, when did FBI show up?

My gut instinct still says gun deal of some sort gone south and the word "patsy" came to mind as soon as I began reading about it. Maybe I've read too many reports of people being arresting after some government agency "worked with" a suspect to set something like this up.

originally posted by: dbuddy

originally posted by: Onlyyouknow
If you have seen the picture of the shooter dead, the one of the waist up including head. I don't think it can be linked here because of terms. If you look at that image and zoom in. There is no blood on the spent shells around his head in the pooling of his blood. This indicates he was dead before those shells were shot, or else they would have blood on them. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm......

Theres not much to go hmmmmm about........ as the blood pools, it will pool around the objects...... not ontop of them.... come on man

I value your opinion. I must say your delivery needs some polishing.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's not really possible to barricade a stairwell door because they open "into" the stairwell, not out. Any barricade could easily be removed by SWAT inside the stairwell. This must be some sort of a misunderstanding, because short of welding the door shut there's not really any way to secure it in the direction of swing. They're designed this way for exactly this reason...so they cannot be barricaded.

Yes, that's also what I was thinking!

Those details feel very forced to fit a story rather than vice versa. And why barricade the stairs if you can't barricade the elevator, too.

How was he going to escape (which is something I read he allegedly planned on doing) if he had to stand and wait for an elevator.

It makes no sense to me.

The shooting stopped in 10-11 minutes, but it still took SWAT another whole 60 minutes to get there...why? In fact, SWAT took an additional 25 minutes to get there from the time the first LEO's arrived on the 32nd floor. I'm sorry, but I am not going to let this little detail go. Bottom line...SWAT took a very long time to get to the scene...especially in a city with high value targets like Las Vegas. Way too long!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Consider time - Late Sunday night. Most people are home at this time , including many cops

SWAT teams need time to assemble - when call goes out members have to go to assembly point and dress up in uniforms
body armor and weapons. Also depending on where SWAT team is quartered travel to location

Also need briefing on situation - don't just begin kicking down doors . Need sitrep on location, floor plans, number of
suspects, etc

Shooter was contained and stopped shooting when police arrived on floor . Then there is the food cart with all the
wires - can you say BOMB !! No need for Rambo tactics, take time ........

a reply to: Boadicea

This is helpful info, thank you. All the pics were taken from the doorway even if they may have been taken at different times.

One angle for the scene.

The blue tubing by the chairs that look like a bathtub...it almost looks like part of the bottom of a shoe just above it. Like there could be a second body lying behind the chairs.

The photos aren't clear enough to say what that is though.

LINK

Who Benefits From The Vegas Shooting?



This short you-tube is interesting.

Covers some of what has been said here

The 4 Chan prediction, for instance

a reply to: firerescue

I could buy that IF this was some small rural town like Atwood Kansas, but not a major metropolitan city like Las Vegas. In fact, especially Las Vegas, a city which lives and breathes by night, every night, 24x7x365 days per year. If something bad is going to go down in Vegas there's probably about a 90% probability it's going to go down at night. The law enforcement agencies should have 24x7 SWAT coverage in cities like Vegas. Heck, I'd even argue they should have extra coverage at night, just for this reason.

The prep part I get, but an hour? I mean, a whole lot of really bad stuff can go down in 60 minutes. Really bad stuff.

And, as I have repeatedly stated, I absolutely reject the argument "the shooting had stopped so why rush". Until SWAT got inside that room they had absolutely zero way to know the shooting had stopped. Dude could have been reloading, he could have been rigging some massive explosive...until they got inside that room they had no way to know anything had stopped. Dude could have been furiously flushing tons of heroin down the toilet, or destroying piles of valuable evidence, and until they got in there they wouldn't have known,

And, as far as officer safety goes, I would counter that the risk was actually going UP, not down, the longer they waited to enter. He could have been rigging elaborate booby-traps in that time (which he could have done before as well), or turning all of his firepower around to deal with their entry instead of shooting at the public.

Fortunately, as it turned out, he was doing none of those things and was actually just laying dead on the floor...but the point is, until they opened that door they didn't know that.

ETA...judging by your handle I'm guessing you work in, or are associated with, fire-rescue in some capacity. So let me ask you a question... If you are dispatched to a burning building with people inside, is it better to wait an hour before entering that building? Or, is it better to enter that building sooner, like a lot sooner? You don't know what's going to happen, but in an hour whatever it is is almost certainly going to be worse, right?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: firerescue

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Fortunately, as it turned out, he was doing none of those things and was actually just laying dead on the floor...but the point is, until they opened that door they didn't know that.

Schrodinger's Suspect?

a reply to: Krakatoa

Clever!

Very clever!

LOL...a very twisted cat, but a cat none the less.

a reply to: firerescue

"SWAT" in Las Vegas is called Zebra.

They are active 24 hours a day.

They actually respond to calls on average of more than one per day.

300 - 400 per year.

Only a few end up on any news report.

"Las Vegas" is actually 3 cities:

City of Las Vegas
City of North Las Vegas
City of Henderson

Around 2 million population.

Mandalay Bay (and the entire "Strip") is in the City of Las Vegas.

There are many other hotels and casinos all over the area (hundreds).

google "swat zebra" and you might find some info.