Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

Has anyone seen this clip yet?
streamable.com...

I can't embed it. It's not from YouTube.

It purportedly shows muzzle flash coming from a helicopter.

Probably nothing either, but you experts could take a look at thisvideo.

a reply to: abago71

Doesn't look like muzzle flashes to me, it looks too repetitive, more like a strobe.

I had forgotten them calling in shots on Alibaba and Giles but that goes hand in hand with what the young girl who was interviewed by Laura Loomer said. She stated they were in the VIP area stage right (away from Mandalay Bay) and were running out the back toward Giles to a private hangar owned by someone in that VIP group and the shots got closer. She said there were many people running that direction and bc the shots were getting (seemed to be getting) closer they thought they were being chased by a gunman.

a reply to: CynConcepts

a reply to: abago71

The helicopter is going one way when the video starts and then it looks like it changes direction to go back the other way.

Makes me wonder if it's a news helicopter filming after the shooting had allegedly stopped. There's really no way to tell what time the video was recorded.

The attack was meticulously planned but an oversight by Paddock led to police being able to pinpoint his exact location.

Smoke filled the hotel room as he unloaded round after round into crowds, triggering the alarm and leading police to his door.


Initially, police said Campos had approached Paddock's room as the October 1 shooting was underway, diverting the gunman's attention. Paddock then shot Campos through the door and quit firing at concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest Festival from his hotel room on the 32nd floor, the timeline said.

This one stinks. The early days of an investigation of this magnitude can be expected to be chaotic and mixed up. This, however, goes well beyond that. If someone was in a police interview and changed their story so much and so quickly, the obvious decision of any detective would be 'this guy is guilty as hell'.

The irony in this case is the fact the guy sat in a chair sweating trying to answer questions is the investigator.

a reply to: sg1642

Yet we have no videos that indicate gunshots from that room at Mandalay Bay.

No clear videos of broken windows at the times of the audio gunshots either.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: spy66
Was that done in this case. Did anyone use their mobiles to determine where the sound came from?

That would only be possible if someone was using a stereo microphone (an external device, cell phones, as far as I know don't have stereo microphones) or if two (or more) people were recording at the same time, we know their exact positions, we have a time stamp on the video and the videos are synchronized.

I am not really into smart phones but i had a look around the net (not much info about it) but there are smart phones that are capable of recording stereo.

Here is the LG V20 recording live gigs:
LG V20

And then there are these smart phones:
Smart Phones

I don't know if all newer smart phones are capable of this, my own phone can't do it but maybe someone in the crowd had a phone that could but then that means downloading every clip and analyzing the audio.

a reply to: xuenchen

I've just posted in another thread,
The window doesn't seem to be broken and yet there we have exhibit 1 - the hammer
Now if that's not the broken window he allegedly fired from, then why are there shell casings around if he didn't fire from there?

Another little point, Paddock was allegedly a bit of an ocd clean freak liked things neat and tidy, it was how his mind worked. Didn't like clutter and mess and yet here we have a room which is a shambles. Just a little point

Please note the far left of the picture where I've poorly circled. I've zoomed in on this area added noise reduction brightened it numerous times just to check I'm not seeing things, and I'll swear that's part of a mans leg, black shoe & wearing jeans. Hardly police issue uniform SWAT or even FBI. There was someone else in the room when this picture was taken whoever it was taken by (although alleged it was actual police photos that were leaked)

a reply to: MotherMayEye
There are helicopter tours of the strip available. According to one web site that offers the tours, one of these tours takes off at 10 PM from McCarran International so the helicopter seen in many of those videos might well be that 10 PM flight just after take-off.
www.maverickhelicopter.com...:void(0);

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I say these crime scene photos were fabricated a day or two before the shootings.

The "dead" body could be an actor or a stage prop dummy.

a reply to: xuenchen

I doubt that the dead person is a dummy or actor...have you seen the close ups of his dead face? No way that's a dummy or actor. Done beforehand? Possibly but tricky as Paddock was seen gambling for a full 8hrs the night before the shooting without leaving the casino.

I'm leaning more towards these are not official police pictures at all, but maybe as someone else mentioned in another thread, perhaps an officer's private cellphone pics

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Hollywood makeup artists can produce very convincing illusions.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I found that image interesting as well because of the "foot and leg" in the lower left. As you say, that's not a standard police uniform leg. However, if we take it that these photos were made by someone on the breaching team, (meaning the scene wasn't staged at some prior time) I seem to recall from the interview on 60 minutes that some members of that team were off duty training their dogs when they got the call.

Sergeant Joshua Bitsko and Officer Dave Newton of the K9-unit had been training dogs when they heard the call.

Joshua Bitsko: So we jump in our cars and hop on the freeway and we were there probably within five minutes.

Detective Matthew Donaldson was doing paperwork at headquarters. He sped nine miles to the Mandalay Bay. In the chaos, he had to run the last few blocks. His cowboy boots rubbed his feet raw.

Matthew Donaldson: I took my boots off. I just threw 'em in the casino. That was slowing me down. I was faster barefoot and I was gonna be more effective barefoot.

www.cbsnews.com...

So from that bit of info we can gather that the "foot" we see isn't that of Donaldson since it appears to be clad in a shoe. But since these guys were off duty when the call came, it's entirely possible they would be dressed in jeans.


As to the window in the photo being broken, that's not the window we're told he was shooting from according to other diagrams posted.

www.latimes.com...

Also from the interview with the breaching team, they searched behind the curtains so the disarray of the curtains when the photo was made may have come from their search.

Bill Whitaker: Did you go to the window? Did you look out?

Joshua Bitsko: No. Because I know that S.W.A.T. had deployed snipers also. So I didn't wanna put my silhouette in front of a window-- because communication was still horrendous at that point

Bill Whitaker: Detective Donaldson, you came in and went through to the other room.

Matthew Donaldson: Yeah.

Bill Whitaker: What did you see?

Matthew Donaldson: It was still very much in my brain there's 50 other dudes in here somewhere. You know, we were still clearing that room, the curtains, moving the curtains. I wanted to make sure somebody wasn't hiding between the windows and the curtains. It's a very small bedroom. Cleared the bathroom, cleared the shower. Came back out. They had to breach the other door on the other side. And then -- once that scene was static it was -- it was essentially a crime scene. It was, like, stop what you're doing. Get out.

I don't quite understand that last statement as to sequence of events. He says he didn't go to the window because SWAT was setting up snipers outside and yet then he says they were looking behind the curtains. How does one look behind the curtains without going to the window??? This part of the interview is very confusing to me.

Does anyone have a video of the entire 60 minutes interview....I can only find clips...thanks in advance.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

How would we confirm those pictures of "Paddock" are really Paddock ?

a reply to: diggindirt

Does anyone really think off duty Las Vegas K9 officers train their dogs at 9pm or 10pm on Sunday nights?

a reply to: xuenchen

That has been my question from the start.

Also, seems to me it would quite easy to find out who "leaked" these photos since there were reportedly a limited number of people with access to the room.

Another anomaly to me: Reports say that eight officers came together in the hallway and formed an ad hoc team to breach the door but only 4 officers are involved....have I missed something? I have yet to see the entire interview. Basing this on the report of the 60 minutes interview here: www.youtube.com...

a reply to: xuenchen

I don't take issue with that part of the story. I'm pretty sure those guys train their dogs all times of the day and night depending on what shift they're working. I don't find that unbelievable.

The photo of the dead man? I find it unbelievable that a man who has been dead for at least an hour (according to the official story) would have bright red blood flowing from his wounds. As I said in another post somewhere---if you want to test the theory that blood remains bright red for over an hour it is easy to do.

Also concerning the positioning of the head of the dead guy (if it is indeed a dead guy)---how did his head get in that position from falling to the floor. Unless there is something (a gun or some other type of equipment) under his shoulders that is holding his upper body off the floor, something isn't kosher in that photo. That was my second impression upon seeing the photo---first the blood is "fresh" and bright red, second the head is at a really, really weird angle suggesting that the muscles have not relaxed when the photo was made or that the person in the photo isn't really dead.

I've been really, really leery of these "leaked" photos from the start. Nobody in the media has pursued these "leaks." Why not?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

it's not unusual for cops and or detectives to to enter a crime scene in plain clothes who responded before crime scene investigators show up and take pictures just in case the scene gets disturbed. plus not all crimes scene investigators wear the same uniforms as the police that could be a plausible explanation. we really don't know how long after the breech the photos were taken.

also not all crime scene people suit up.

a reply to: xuenchen

There is a video of a young couple outside the building and she specially says there is glass coming from the window and falling to the ground. They understood the shots were coming from the hotel as well.