I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

You had no say in what that piece of cloth represents, you just parrot what the state tod you to think about it.

Like I said, have fun bowing to an inanimate object.

Sounds like social engineering and conditioning to me ... umm hmm.

a reply to: c2oden

Who told you that? That's right, the state.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?

No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.

No, not the same.

Good retort.

Do you sit for anthems at sports and other public events?

I would be standing in line for beer and hotdogs.

But you wouldn’t sit.

I would. I've also sat during prayers.

That’s just as superstitious as standing. The problem is, it’s a show of disrespect as opposed to a show of respect.

I could say that respect is just as superstitious. The flag is also as superstitious.

Try laughing at a funeral. Respect is the glue that holds a community together.

Just not respect for someones beliefs that informs them to kneel during the Anthem ... no respect for that, eh?

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Nyiah

Because the are in public with a large group of their fellow citizens.

But a packed sports bar is not a large group of their fellow citizens and thus no ritual warranted.

You folks make zero sense, it;s obvious flag & anthem etiquette necessity is HIGHLY subjective to you. You just won't admit it.

But it is etiquette. That’s the point, no matter what anyone thinks of the flag.

Would you take your shoes off at the Taj Mahal, even though you weren’t Muslim nor Indian?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

Who told you that? That's right, the state.

No.
I learned what it stands for the hard way.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?

No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.

No, not the same.

Good retort.

Do you sit for anthems at sports and other public events?

I would be standing in line for beer and hotdogs.

But you wouldn’t sit.

I would. I've also sat during prayers.

That’s just as superstitious as standing. The problem is, it’s a show of disrespect as opposed to a show of respect.

I could say that respect is just as superstitious. The flag is also as superstitious.

Try laughing at a funeral. Respect is the glue that holds a community together.

Just not respect for someones beliefs that informs them to kneel during the Anthem ... no respect for that, eh?

I respect their beliefs, just not their disrespect.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?

No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.

No, not the same.

Good retort.

Do you sit for anthems at sports and other public events?

I would be standing in line for beer and hotdogs.

But you wouldn’t sit.

I would. I've also sat during prayers.

That’s just as superstitious as standing. The problem is, it’s a show of disrespect as opposed to a show of respect.

I could say that respect is just as superstitious. The flag is also as superstitious.

Try laughing at a funeral. Respect is the glue that holds a community together.

Just not respect for someones beliefs that informs them to kneel during the Anthem ... no respect for that, eh?

Respect is apparently given on demand, in a one way direction. It's not reciprocal in the US.

a reply to: c2oden

Like everyone else, by going to detention or being suspended for not standing for it in school.

It's brainwashing 101, get them while they're young.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

The difference is I don't try to get the other team fired when my team loses, I accept the loss and move on.

A piece of cloth is a piece of cloth, it only has the power that you choose to give it. Not everyone chooses to let an inanimate object have power over them. I'm my own person with my own values, I don't let a piece of fabric dictate my values for me.

God, if a conservative said that about the LGBT rainbow flag, the snowflakes would have to find a safe place for some hot cocoa and coloring books.

So no for you too?

originally posted by: liejunkie01
I did,

I made my son stand in the living room and hold his hand over his heart, me included.

I say I did because I am no longer watching football. I am a fan and my son actually just got hurt at his highscool game. So I am not just an occasional fan.

Why I quit watching is because the NFL let this become a huge country dividing boondoggle, and yes they did let this happen.

They shouldn't have ever let politics into the game, period. Now it's just one big clown show.

The NFL is big business and let let their big business get interrupted. Now everybody has to "take sides".

I say screw all of your sides.

We are a failing society that is in the midst of some sort of revolution that won't end good.

When you say "i did" - was that for every game or just recently?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?

No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.

No, not the same.

Good retort.

Do you sit for anthems at sports and other public events?

I would be standing in line for beer and hotdogs.

But you wouldn’t sit.

I would. I've also sat during prayers.

That’s just as superstitious as standing. The problem is, it’s a show of disrespect as opposed to a show of respect.

I could say that respect is just as superstitious. The flag is also as superstitious.

Try laughing at a funeral. Respect is the glue that holds a community together.

Just not respect for someones beliefs that informs them to kneel during the Anthem ... no respect for that, eh?

I respect their beliefs, just not their disrespect.

So you are the one that gets to determine what respect is and when it is due? You seemed to be speaking of societal or cultural standards that we all agree on, i.e. mutual respect. I must have misunderstood you.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

Like everyone else, by going to detention or being suspended for not standing for it in school.

It's brainwashing 101, get them while they're young.

What is wrong you?

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?

No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.

No, not the same.

Good retort.

Do you sit for anthems at sports and other public events?

I would be standing in line for beer and hotdogs.

But you wouldn’t sit.

I would. I've also sat during prayers.

That’s just as superstitious as standing. The problem is, it’s a show of disrespect as opposed to a show of respect.

I could say that respect is just as superstitious. The flag is also as superstitious.

Try laughing at a funeral. Respect is the glue that holds a community together.

Just not respect for someones beliefs that informs them to kneel during the Anthem ... no respect for that, eh?

Respect is apparently given on demand, in a one way direction. It's not reciprocal in the US.

Respect in this case seems to be a function of authoritarian nationalistic adherence.

Not my strong suit, LOL.

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: c2oden

Like everyone else, by going to detention or being suspended for not standing for it in school.

It's brainwashing 101, get them while they're young.

What is wrong you?

He isn’t brainwashed.


That appears “wrong” to someone who is brainwashed.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Nyiah

Because the are in public with a large group of their fellow citizens.

But a packed sports bar is not a large group of their fellow citizens and thus no ritual warranted.

You folks make zero sense, it;s obvious flag & anthem etiquette necessity is HIGHLY subjective to you. You just won't admit it.

But it is etiquette. That’s the point, no matter what anyone thinks of the flag.

Would you take your shoes off at the Taj Mahal, even though you weren’t Muslim nor Indian?

It is selectively applied etiquette. If it's not necessary for a packed bar to display the etiquette, then you must concede it's not necessary elsewhere large groups of citizens have congregated. You are arguing that the etiquette is unconditional while giving solid examples that it is indeed conditional.
Make up your mind.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

I sure as hell don't kneel.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

You had no say in what that piece of cloth represents, you just parrot what the state tod you to think about it.

Like I said, have fun bowing to an inanimate object.

Sounds like social engineering and conditioning to me ... umm hmm.

I believe that the comment you made can go both ways here.

Don't stand at attention because you are being conditioned by the media to cause divide. This makes for a great story and you are making the corporations ratings skyrocket.

This has been a media driven topic the whole time. Now everyone thinks that it is their "duty" to have their voice heard. Nobody wants to be the average Joe anymore because "We are all special". It is conditioning any way you put it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

The anthem is being played on TVs.
The point is the fake outrage. If people are so outraged about the players not standing then why are they not doing it at bars and homes? Isn't that being disrespectful to the flag?

No.

In the same way the players were not being disrespectful to the flag.

No, not the same.

Good retort.

Do you sit for anthems at sports and other public events?

I would be standing in line for beer and hotdogs.

But you wouldn’t sit.

I would. I've also sat during prayers.

That’s just as superstitious as standing. The problem is, it’s a show of disrespect as opposed to a show of respect.

I could say that respect is just as superstitious. The flag is also as superstitious.

Try laughing at a funeral. Respect is the glue that holds a community together.

Just not respect for someones beliefs that informs them to kneel during the Anthem ... no respect for that, eh?

I respect their beliefs, just not their disrespect.

So you are the one that gets to determine what respect is and when it is due? You seemed to be speaking of societal or cultural standards that we all agree on, i.e. mutual respect. I must have misunderstood you.

I determine my behaviour, you determine yours.

But practically, I’ve learned through travelling that respecting of tradition and civic culture is life preserving.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
Do you stand in your home? If no, you need to look in a mirror and ask why you are such a blatant liar with your feelings. That is unless you never thought about it before, which I would surmise comprises 90% of you or more.

There are a lot of things done in a stadium that nobody does at home, and vise versa. This OP is a horribly poor argument. How many people bow their heads and pray when they see it on TV versus bowing their heads and praying at the dinner table in their home? How many people shoot off fireworks in their living room while watching the 4th of July programming from the major cities? How many people throw slime at their television when watching a live Nickelodian program?

So again the answer is no. Thanks. I'm using this thread and the responses to make another one. I appreciate your input.

So you admit to baiting the members?