a reply to: LesMisanthrope
I have infiltrated this thread to respond to your ''pulled'' thread in this issue. I found that thread to be thoughtful and civil. As this is
basically the same topic perhaps the mods will not consider this drift.
In that thread you spoke of etiquette. I agree that etiquette as a social bond as a social standard is important for all people to recognize and hold
to in a civil society. As I am not a proponent of the sports industrial complex, my viewing of these events is sparse and my knowledge of the goings
on is limited.
From what I have seen from all of this recent kerfuffle I have seen very little if any lack of etiquette. What I have seen was almost what I myself
have practiced over the last decades. When I attend any event that calls for the people to stand, put their hands on their chests and then pledge
allegiance to the flag I do not. To pledge allegiance to the flag and all it stands for is not only pledging allegiance to the United States and all
the good it does for its citizens and around the world but also pledges allegiance for to all the miss-deeds that have been committed around the world
in the name of freedom and democracy but in reality have been acts of conquest and subjugation. I cannot and will not pledge to this record.
What I do do, is stand solemnly in solidarity with those who have given their arms, legs, sanity and lives to defend the freedoms I cherish. For me,
not making that gesture is disrespect for warriors who protect us. It is also within the bounds of social etiquette that we both know is vital to our
But back to the football protests.
What these players have engaged in, from what I could see, was not really disrespectful. I did not see any of them picking their noses and flinging
the boogers at the cameras. I did not see any of them spitting on the flag or dancing a jig as others made their pledges. What I saw was disgruntled
men, standing and kneeling together in concert with one another. Quietly, and from what I saw, solemnly. While some were doing this solo, most were
bound to each other in silent embrace.
Even Kapernink, who I guess was the first of this was not totally disrespectful. His taking a knee was, again from what I could see, was done solemnly
and quietly. Then the media which thrives on anything different, blew it up and made it a big deal.
And while I saw protest on the part of recent players I am willing to accept their words on their motivation. Why?
Because the president of the United States found the issue to be one that fits his purposes and blew the whole thing completely out of proportion. He
called at least one of them an SOB and called for him to be fired.
He has the biggest microphone in the world and he used it to attack and demean one man and demand that he be fired. With vehemence. With pompous
arrogance. With unbridled self promotion. That is what I saw and heard, and apparently so did all those other men who found recourse in their silent
and respectful kneeling.
Yes, I found those recent episodes of kneeling to be well within the bounds of etiquette, though varied, while at the same time found Mr. Trumps
explosion to be totally lacking, by any definition, in etiquette.
It is one thing to accept Trump at his word as so many do. Believing that he is an honest broker, expressing the views of all ''good Americans while
holding to the image that those who disagree with him are ''bad''. Americans.
However I do not hold with any of that.
Mr. Trump was once in the the sports business as an owner in the USFL. It was his decision to take that league and rather than continue with it as a
spring football league, move it to a fall football league so that it would then compete directly with the NFL. He lost that battle and his franchise
along with that entire league went belly up. One more of his businesses went bust, not because of the competition, but rather because of his pour
management decisions yet he, to my observations, continues to find blame elsewhere rather than in himself. It is no surprise that he and his grudge
have now come back to the surface in his lashing out at the NFL.
So it is from that evaluation of Mr. Trump that I suspect that his motives to condemn the players for the ''disrespect'' was not due to them being
''bad'' Americans but rather that that tirade would sing well to his base while at the same time striking out at a former business rival who pulled
his pants down in public and gave him a competitive ''spank down''.
But all in all, I hope this goes away soon, that the players do not escalate this coming week end and that Mr. Trump just keeps his mouth shut. We
have more important things attend to.
Thanks for listening Le mis.
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