Flat earth theory?

a reply to: Box of Rain

I was going to answer him yesterday but after reading his replies I realized he is trolling people.

He could easily verify there are planets with a telescope. And he really cant be stupid enough to believe the sun works like a spot light and seems to work magic on earth.

a reply to: dragonridr

Oh. Just read some more of his/her posts about the stars being below the blue sky and the flat Earth stuff about the Sun being a spotlight etc.

No one can really believe such utter twaddle so must conclude that this is just trolling.

a reply to: wmd_2008

honestly... anyone who has read anything turbo has posted already knows he doesn't understand anything hes posting about...

Flat earthers are morons... a statement I stand by and has been proven time and again

But those out of focus stars don't look nothing like the out of focus lights.

It could be because of various factors like air humidity but it looks like stars are behind water.

a reply to: theMediator

No its due to turbulence in the atmosphere that causes what's called scintillation.

The out of focus streetlights were shown to show the expansion of an out of focus light source.

It's not that difficult to work out or understand.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: turbonium1

Stars are supposedly millions of light years away, but anyone with a high-magnification camera could zoom in on a star, and see details of it. And obviously, it would be absolutely impossible to see any details of stars that are millions of light years away.

What do you mean by "details"?

Are you really believing that the Moon is "under the blue skies of Earth"?

The moon is seen below the blue skies, why would you believe anything but your own eyes, for justifying your wishful fantasy, no matter how absurd or ridiculous, it shall be crowned 'the answer', by saying it's the answer, over and over again, which makes everyone forget it was actually a pile of crap from day one, to this very day, and forever will be crap...

All sorts of these are claimed to 'answer' all of the problems, because every problem of Apollo will always have an 'answer' for all problems yet to bring forth, ever in future. Anyone can mention any flaws, every glitch that proves it was faked, without a doubt, or even a passable excuse, as many today are, but Apollo-ites still say everything has been 'answered'.

When you argue for things that have no answer, you suggest a phenomenon that could only happen on the moon, or somewhere in space, or it's not common at all, or whatever.....

You believe every one of your answers, even without proof, are better, more likely, than to prove a hoax.......


We could say the same thing about Kubrick's movie, '2001', if they said it was real, or even said 'most of it was real', if they had to explain glitches, later on. After all, they can point out how almost 99.99% of their footage has no glitches, that's better evidence of NOT hoaxing it! What is a few frames of a glitch, that was made later, on Earth, when compared to all our 'true footage' shot in outer space??

You would believe 2001 was actually footage shot in outer space, if they had ever claimed it was real footage, or even if they said PARTS of the footage was, but it's tricky to pick it out, unless you know where to look...


What makes Apollo, and 2001, and every other footage that claims to be in space, or claims to simulate space, or what Mars would look like, at close up, on the 'surface' of Mars, on and on.....is from claiming such things are true, or false.

Everything they claim is true, you believe is true, and if they say it's not true, it's only a movie, then that's what you believe, as well.


What about the moon, now?

Anyone can see that the moon is beneath our blue skies.

If you think it is not where you see it, in daylight, why do you believe an illusion, of some fantasy, that does not exist, could explain why the moon is actually not there, below the blue skies of Earth......

Do you know the difference between projection, and reflection, of objects?

What do you believe this would be? A reflection, or a projection? Or neither, or both, or what?


If you consider every rational, plausible account for how the moon, about 1/4 million miles away from Earth, is reflecting sunlight towards Earth, which somehow creates a perfect replica of the moon, and this replica image of the moon would cast this image outward, 1/4 million miles away, and pierce through the clouds of Earth, and stop, below the clouds, where it projects this perfect replica of the moon, which is how this illusion is created, for absolutely no reason at all, but everyone on Earth sees that perfect replica of the moon - yet another of our perfect coincidences, indeed!


These non-existing phenomena are nonsense, they 'answer' nothing at all, and saying it's all 'answered'.... is so absurd, it's a joke.

a reply to: turbonium1

I'll repeat my question. Please explain how a sunset, as observed by billions of people every day, is possible on a flat earth. I dare you.

a reply to: captainpudding

It's complicated.

Who knew?

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: turbonium1

I'll repeat my question. Please explain how a sunset, as observed by billions of people every day, is possible on a flat earth. I dare you.

No problem.

I'd like you to first look at this video, which has an excellent demonstration, using a table, a coin, and a light. Watch from around the 7:00 mark....

www.youtube.com...

That should answer your question, I believe.

Nobody has yet replied to the issue of the moon beneath our blue skies. We know it's not possible to project a perfect physical replica of the moon, let alone project it nearly 1/4 million miles out, pierce through the entire atmosphere of Earth, then stop below our blue skies, where it blocks out the blue sky behind it...and certainly no reflection of sunlight off the lunar surface can do such things, either.

The only possible explanation is the easiest one, the most obvious one - the moon is seen below our blue skies, because that is exactly where the moon is!

We can confirm that by observing the moon an hour or two, prior to daylight..and keep observing it, until it is seen below the blue skies above....

The moon you observe will be the same, all throughout that time, from dark of night, to blue skies of daylight.

If you know that, you also know the moon is seen at night, exactly where it is. Nobody claims the moon we see at night is not the actual moon, it is only reflecting, or projecting, a perfect replica image of itself, from 1/4 million mles away in space....right? So now, you cannot claim the moon does this during the day, but not at night, when it is continually seen from night to day....yes?


The moon is below our blue skies, obviously. What confuses you, and most people, is that you see it at night, which is 'space', and the moon is in space, which means it cannot be below our blue skies....

And here is the masterful illusion, which we believe is true - space is endless, we see the stars which are millions of light years away, and the Sun is millions of miles away, and all the 'planets are far away, in space. And of course, since we see the moon is in space, it is also far away from Earth, too.

It's hard to grasp how the moon is under our blue skies, with so much 'proof' it's in space...


Endless space may exist, but what we see, is not endless space. Everyone will eventually realize this, in future, as our technology advances to the point where zoom lenses show details of stars, that cannot happen if the stars were light years away..even now, anyone with cameras can see details of stars...that are supposedly millions of light years away.


Stars are small, highly energized balls of light, in fact. Simply zoom in on a star, and you'll see it for yourself. Many videos show this, as well as images. Your side makes an excuse for it - they are 'out of focus'. I'm quite sure that when we see those 'strips' of light, vertical and horizontal to each other, pulsate in various patterns, that's simply 'out of focus', too!!

The fact is that stars are shown in detail, with their energized light patterns, and nothing excuses this, for it cannot be excused anymore.


It is a fact that a star could NEVER be shown in such detail if it was millions of light years away. It is impossible. So you either accept these are actual light bars, perpendicular to one another, which pulsate rapidly in various patterns....or make excuses, looking for a way to avoid the reality.

The reality of our moon below our blue skies, the reality of seeing details of stars, which pulsate light patterns above us, the reality of blue skies above the Sun, and stars, and moon, and so-called 'planets', which are ALSO seen below our blue skies, because that's where EVERYTHING really is...

What makes us believe everything is so far away? They've told us so, for centuries now, and - until recently - nobody knew better, and nobody could prove them wrong. So we all believed them, and most still do.

They first said the Earth was round, not flat, and showed 'calculations' that 'proved' it. They also claimed ships couldn't be seen beyond a certain point, because they were 'sailing over the curvature', and everyone believed them, because they saw it with their own eyes!!

Those were the 'experts', that said the ships vanished from sight, because they had sailed over the Earth's curvature.

Why would they make up lies, if they had genuine proof of the Earth being round? They were supposedly our 'experts of all sciences'. So why would such great, honorable scientists have to make up this filthy, disgusting falsehood, which they KNEW was a lie......if it was proven true, by other means? And why have all 'experts' told us this very same lie, for all of these centuries, now?

Nobody even cared, back then, whether the Earth was round, or flat, or banana-shaped. Except it was already known to be flat, because they HAD explored all of Earth by then. It was mapped, in detail, showing every continent, every ocean, on Earth, with great accuracy. The only difference was that their maps showed a great perimeter around Earth, a wall of ice. These maps didn't show a continent called 'Antarctica', which seems odd, since all the other continents were shown in their maps!

After they proved the Earth was round with ships that vanished over curvature, they also went about destroying all the maps which showed a wall around Earth, and no 'Antarctica'. No reason for that, they just didn't want anyone to have maps that were 'wrong'!


Sure, that's it!

a reply to: turbonium1

Nobody has yet replied to the issue of the moon beneath our blue skies.

The light from the sun hitting the moon is bright enough to see beyond the "blue sky"...

You can actually watch this transition through the night, as a pitch black night turns to a blue day... with the moon fully visible until the light of the sun is too bright to see it anymore...

test it for yourself...

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: turbonium1

I'll repeat my question. Please explain how a sunset, as observed by billions of people every day, is possible on a flat earth. I dare you.

No problem.

I'd like you to first look at this video, which has an excellent demonstration, using a table, a coin, and a light. Watch from around the 7:00 mark....

www.youtube.com...

That should answer your question, I believe.

So on order for flat earth perspective to work we have to get below the plane of the earth? If that table was the earth our poor little human was in deep space. The table thing just proves flat earth cannot explain sunrise and sunsets.

If the sun traveled over a flat earth you would never actually have night anywhere on the planet. You can do this experiment on your own. Hold a candle about a foot above the table and see if there is anywhere that cant see it.

a reply to: turbonium1

Your idiotic video directly contradicts the first hand experience of billions of people every day, I'm done feeding the troll, this has gone from entertaining to pathetic.

a reply to: turbonium1

You have ceased to be entertaining and your posts are now repeating the same nonsense again and again.
Yawn.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Nobody has yet replied to the issue of the moon beneath our blue skies.

The light from the sun hitting the moon is bright enough to see beyond the "blue sky"...

You can actually watch this transition through the night, as a pitch black night turns to a blue day... with the moon fully visible until the light of the sun is too bright to see it anymore...

test it for yourself...

So if the moon cannot be seen in bright daylight, it cannot be under the blue skies?

How can the moon be seen under the blue skies, and block out part of the blue skies, behind it, when it is not even there to begin with??

Everything, like the moon, and stars, won't be visible in bright daylight, although they are still there, obviously, because we saw them earlier on. If you believe they all moved at once, or were never there, how did we see them, to begin with?


If you believe the Sun is millions of miles away, and the moon is only 1/4 million miles away, that means the Sun casts light to the OPPOSITE side of the moon, yet that is obviously not the case. Even if the Sun is not directly behind the moon, it is shining sunlight from millions of miles behind the moon, according to your argument. The sunlight cannot go out several million miles, behind the moon, and hit the opposite side, obviously!

This allows you to reflect sunlight, from behind the moon, to spin around the moon, hit the other side, facing Earth, and reflect the sunlight back to Earth, and then....

We see the moon in daylight, below the blue skies, which is an illusion, that nobody can explain!


All done..

a reply to: turbonium1

So if the moon cannot be seen in bright daylight, it cannot be under the blue skies?

No... its just not under the sky... period

How can the moon be seen under the blue skies, and block out part of the blue skies, behind it, when it is not even there to begin with??

Its not seen "under" the blue sky... Its seen "through" the blue sky... Notice when you look at that moon in the morning sky, or even when the sun is low in the sky in the evening it looks almost transparent? This is because you see the brightest parts of the moon... not because you can actually see through it.

Everything, like the moon, and stars, won't be visible in bright daylight, although they are still there, obviously, because we saw them earlier on. If you believe they all moved at once, or were never there, how did we see them, to begin with?

I've already told you... Its the sunlight hitting the moon that you see... You can also see venus in the morning and evening for the same reason... The sunlight hitting said celestial object is bright enough to be seen in the dim morning or evening light...

If you believe the Sun is millions of miles away, and the moon is only 1/4 million miles away, that means the Sun casts light to the OPPOSITE side of the moon, yet that is obviously not the case. Even if the Sun is not directly behind the moon, it is shining sunlight from millions of miles behind the moon, according to your argument. The sunlight cannot go out several million miles, behind the moon, and hit the opposite side, obviously!

You've heard of an eclipse right?

We see the moon in daylight, below the blue skies, which is an illusion, that nobody can explain!

No its easily explained... Its not under a dome, or under a blue sky

Most of the moon we see in daylight blocks out the skies, and appears to be solid.

Some of the moon may also appear to be translucent, as well, although not always so.


That's because the moon isn't a solid, non-luminous ball, 1/4 million miles above Earth, in so-called 'deep space'.

The moon is a self-illuminating disc-like object, only about 5-6 thousands miles above Earth.

It cannot be reflecting only sunlight, to the Earth, because the Sun is supposedly behind the moon, so how could the sunlight hit the other side of the moon? It couldn't. Even at an angle, the Sun is behind the moon, always.


As for the moon being transparent, or translucent, that's because it IS such an object.


It's a bit similar to paper lanterns, which may appear to be solid objects at night, but are really not, and are seen as translucent objects, in sunlight. Same as the moon does.

a reply to: turbonium1

LMAO!!!!


awesome...

a reply to: turbonium1

🤔


Nope.