Flat earth theory?

a reply to: turbonium1

(Hysterical laughter)
No.

I could laugh at your beliefs, but it's better to show evidence, to support my arguments. And why no evidence supports your arguments, as well.


What is your explanation for every star remaining above Earth, over thousands of years, zipping through space, because that's what planets do, for some reason....they speed through the universe, all the time, never stopping, or slowing down!

Nobody sees anything different, though, because all the same stars move at the same speed, and same position as before, but it is not the same part of space, we just don't see it from Earth. All the 'experts' see it, however, and they tell us about things we can't see, way out, in our 'endless universe'!!

And those 'experts' of our endless universe have seen so many stars that aren't above Earth, which are all the same stars, all the time. No, these 'experts' have found many other stars, which aren't seen above Earth, until they use their powerful telescopes to see new stars, never seen before!!


What would be the reason(s) for us seeing the same stars all the time, above Earth.... while astronomers keep claiming to have discovered so many 'unknown' stars, never seen before?

Which means that they see countless new stars, or all the stars we see ARE THE VERY SAME STARS, THAT EVER EXISTED ANYWHERE.... and they are just a pack of liars, or frauds..


That doesn't mean all are liars, only the ones who claim to see those stars are lying. Any others could be honorable people.


Astronomy is built on the Earth being round, which is the greatest lie of all time. They lie about everything else, built upon the greatest lie, ever sold.


It works so perfectly because it cannot be known true, or false, in person, by the public...as 'space' is for 'experts' to know, and see, nobody else, for some reason!

a reply to: turbonium1

The stars are millions of "light years" away... the ones we see are in our own galaxy, though we can see some outside of it... we can see andromeda with the naked eye... its a smudge in the night sky on a clear night... explain that with your flat earth...

Must be god's thumb print on the dome eh...

originally posted by: turbonium1
I could laugh at your beliefs, but it's better to show evidence, to support my arguments. And why no evidence supports your arguments, as well.


What is your explanation for every star remaining above Earth, over thousands of years, zipping through space, because that's what planets do, for some reason....they speed through the universe, all the time, never stopping, or slowing down!

Nobody sees anything different, though, because all the same stars move at the same speed, and same position as before, but it is not the same part of space, we just don't see it from Earth. All the 'experts' see it, however, and they tell us about things we can't see, way out, in our 'endless universe'!!

And those 'experts' of our endless universe have seen so many stars that aren't above Earth, which are all the same stars, all the time. No, these 'experts' have found many other stars, which aren't seen above Earth, until they use their powerful telescopes to see new stars, never seen before!!


What would be the reason(s) for us seeing the same stars all the time, above Earth.... while astronomers keep claiming to have discovered so many 'unknown' stars, never seen before?

Which means that they see countless new stars, or all the stars we see ARE THE VERY SAME STARS, THAT EVER EXISTED ANYWHERE.... and they are just a pack of liars, or frauds..


That doesn't mean all are liars, only the ones who claim to see those stars are lying. Any others could be honorable people.


Astronomy is built on the Earth being round, which is the greatest lie of all time. They lie about everything else, built upon the greatest lie, ever sold.


It works so perfectly because it cannot be known true, or false, in person, by the public...as 'space' is for 'experts' to know, and see, nobody else, for some reason!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the above as yet further proof that Turbo is running out of new material in his efforts to entertain us and is now becoming desperate. Yes, I know that none of us take him seriously, but I think that we should appeal to a mod to close this thread. It's an ex-thread, it's pushing up the daisies, despite Turbo's efforts at nailing it to its perch it has expired to join the choir eternal.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

The stars are millions of "light years" away... the ones we see are in our own galaxy, though we can see some outside of it... we can see andromeda with the naked eye... its a smudge in the night sky on a clear night... explain that with your flat earth...

Must be god's thumb print on the dome eh...

When have you found any star above the Earth, or any group of stars, visible to naked eye, over thousands of years, same way as all of our stars, we have watched above the Earth, ever seen above Earth, and always will be seen above Earth, as they cannot change, or alter in any way, any position above the Earth, ever before, ever since, and forever will remain above the Earth.

If someone thinks life, and Earth, were created in primordial soups, all by random chance, or even to consider it possible....

We have seen those very same stars above Earth since we first looked above Earth, and have always seen the same stars ever since, and always will......


If you think that calling some of the stars 'andromeda', and they move around, or change, nothing makes it true. It's just nonsense.

a reply to: turbonium1


Only nonsense in this thread is from you turbo..lol

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

The stars are millions of "light years" away... the ones we see are in our own galaxy, though we can see some outside of it... we can see andromeda with the naked eye... its a smudge in the night sky on a clear night... explain that with your flat earth...

Must be god's thumb print on the dome eh...

Every star we've seen above Earth is the same star, over thousands of years, the North Star - alone - is proof of that.

Nobody can look at Polaris, which is the North Star, as they saw it over thousands of years ago, same star, same place, which we know has never changed, never moved, not once, ever, since it was the guiding star for all people over thousands of years, to now, and always will be.

Do you really think it's just one, single case of a star, which has not yet changed, or has yet moved, which has somehow 'moved', in it's position, as all stars have moved, but it's hard to see it, here on Earth... You say this, because you cannot say stars don't move, or change, in space.....

These changes are common within 'space', where our whole planet spins itself, while zipping through the endless universe, as all other stars around Earth do, etc.

And a force called gravity is holding us to Earth, too...

We will float in space, beyond that force on Earth, but casts out, like a fishing line, where it 'hooks' onto the moon!! And holds it in place, forever afterwards...


It all works in 'space', obviously! Anyone can see that!!

a reply to: turbonium1

which goes to show you know nothing about distances... Every constellation is moving but within the life span of man the stars are too far away to notice a change... even in the oldest star maps we have(about 32000 years old) still show very similar constellations but they were not exactly the same as they are today even if the change is hardly noticeable.

Plus we've only had the technology we have in the past few decades so how would you know the stars have never changed anyways...

Heres an example of the "big dipper" using a mathematical model of its change over time

A force that pulls objects down to Earth, except if a force opposes it, of course!

A force which cannot pull objects down to Earth beyond orbit, which allows objects to 'float' in space, until it casts out to a moon, and grasps hold of it in place, forever.

Nothing proves this force exists, so claiming it's the greatest force in the universe, and so on, is utterly absurd.


To support this claim does not work with evidence, since it has none, and it's an utterly absurd claim, to begin with.

So the legitimate claim is attacked as 'stupid, and absurd', to cover for their own, obviously absurd claims.


Absurd claims are piled up with more, and more, absurd claims, which makes it 'evidence', somehow!

a reply to: turbonium1

Calling gravity absurd or nonsense does not prove your point...

gravity is everywhere, and applies to everything...

A force which cannot pull objects down to Earth beyond orbit, which allows objects to 'float' in space, until it casts out to a moon, and grasps hold of it in place, forever.

And I've explained "orbit" to you like 20x... its a concept you don't understand, like most of the other ideas you rant about with nothing to back them up...

Things don't "float" in orbit lol

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

which goes to show you know nothing about distances... Every constellation is moving but within the life span of man the stars are too far away to notice a change... even in the oldest star maps we have(about 32000 years old) still show very similar constellations but they were not exactly the same as they are today even if the change is hardly noticeable.

Plus we've only had the technology we have in the past few decades so how would you know the stars have never changed anyways...

Heres an example of the "big dipper" using a mathematical model of its change over time

You believe all stars only 'appear' to be stationary, after several thousand years, because stars are extremely far away from Earth, so when they are moving through space, it isn't noticed on Earth, or barely so.....

It's the same excuse you spewed out on why we haven't ever seen, any indication of all species 'evolving' into any other species, too!!
Evolution takes millions of years.


Stars move, but we'd only notice any changes after, maybe 100 or 200 thousand years, from here on Earth!!


We assume first that the stars are far away, which isn't true, but let's say it's true, for now....

If a star is in motion, isn't the Earth supposedly in motion, as well?

That's what you believe, right?


You didn't mention that TWO objects - a star, and the Earth - are BOTH moving through space, at the same time....

If only stars were moving through space, it's one issue...

But when the Earth is also moving, at the same time stars move, it's just nonsense...


Do you think we'd see the same stars, at the same position, at the same relative position to all the other stars, for over thousands of years, while Earth was moving through space? Not a chance.


We'd see different stars all the time, right?

We would NOT see the same stars, in the same position, forever and ever.....no way.

a reply to: turbonium1

You believe all stars only 'appear' to be stationary, after several thousand years, because stars are extremely far away from Earth, so when they are moving through space, it isn't noticed on Earth, or barely so.....

It's the same excuse you spewed out on why we haven't ever seen, any indication of all species 'evolving' into any other species, too!!
Evolution takes millions of years.

no... its really not the same argument lol

If only stars were moving through space, it's one issue...

But when the Earth is also moving, at the same time stars move, it's just nonsense...

Well just because you don't understand concepts like time, or physics... or distance...obit...lift..... or, anything really... it certianly doesn't make any of it nonsense

Do you think we'd see the same stars, at the same position, at the same relative position to all the other stars, for over thousands of years, while Earth was moving through space? Not a chance.

Except everything but you points to yah... we do see the same stars, depending on which hemisphere we are in...

add that word to the list too by the way..

We'd see different stars all the time, right?

We would NOT see the same stars, in the same position, forever and ever.....no way.

what is "foreverandever" for you anyways?

Six or twelve thousand years?

It's simple logic..


We have seen the exact same stars, at the exact same position in the skies, without exception, since day one, and ever since then.

It cannot work if the Earth moved through space, over thousands of years time, because we'd never see all the exact same stars, at the same positions, each and every day, over thousands of years.

It works if the stars ARE all the same, and above Earth, moving above Earth, which is not moving at all.

Nothing hard to understand about this, no?

a reply to: turbonium1

yah it works... take a physics class brother

That's really addressing the issue... as usual.

originally posted by: turbonium1
It's simple logic..


We have seen the exact same stars, at the exact same position in the skies, without exception, since day one, and ever since then.

It cannot work if the Earth moved through space, over thousands of years time, because we'd never see all the exact same stars, at the same positions, each and every day, over thousands of years.

It works if the stars ARE all the same, and above Earth, moving above Earth, which is not moving at all.

Nothing hard to understand about this, no?

You dont seem to have a clue about anything the stars we see are ALL in our galaxy they move relative to us but if a star is many light years away guess what you wont notice that over a lifetime.

originally posted by: turbonium1

We have seen the exact same stars, at the exact same position in the skies, without exception, since day one, and ever since then.

We have observed the motions of stars. Some are too far away for their movements over a few decades time to be noticeable by anything other that very precise equipment, but there are some other closer stars who motions cam be detected over than course of several years or a couple of decades by equipment that even amateur astronomers posses.

The reason the closer stars have a more noticeable movement is the same reason that a car passing you on a flat highway can go from horizon to horizon more quickly that a jet 7 miles in the air going from horizon to horizon. Or why the trees you pass alongside the road when you are driving pass by more quickly than the mountains several miles away.

Some of these stars that have a high (and relatively easily detectable) proper motion are the following:

Barnard's Star (the star with the highest proper motion relative to us)

Proxima Centauri (the star closest to us)

Wolf 359/CN Leonis

Cygni 61

originally posted by: turbonium1
That's really addressing the issue... as usual.

Theres no point addressing anything you bring up... you haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about with ANY supposed issue you bring up... you actually bring a whole new level of cluelessness to this forum... like you just make stuff up and actually believe the crap you spew.

Its hilarious... and pathetic at the same time

I'd have an easier time explaining the basics to a five year old

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: turbonium1
It's simple logic..


We have seen the exact same stars, at the exact same position in the skies, without exception, since day one, and ever since then.

It cannot work if the Earth moved through space, over thousands of years time, because we'd never see all the exact same stars, at the same positions, each and every day, over thousands of years.

It works if the stars ARE all the same, and above Earth, moving above Earth, which is not moving at all.

Nothing hard to understand about this, no?

You dont seem to have a clue about anything the stars we see are ALL in our galaxy they move relative to us but if a star is many light years away guess what you wont notice that over a lifetime.

That's nonsense.

Assuming each and every one of the millions of stars above Earth are flying through space at the exact, same speed, as Earth, then?

All in the same direction, at the same time?

While it's all at random, of course!!



Now, to claim the stars are actually moving at different speeds, and in different directions, you assume they are too far away to notice it from Earth, within a lifetime!.

No. It's been several thousand years, and stars have never moved, even a smidgen....


Polaris has never moved, over thousands of years, and proves that all the stars have been stationary above Earth, obviously. The position of Polaris - direct north - has never changed.


All the constellations are identical, over thousands of years.



Excuses don't work for your side.

a reply to: turbonium1

Interesting that you mention Polaris.

Can you explain how, on a flat world, its elevation above the horizon happens to correspond to the latitude of the observer?