Flat earth theory?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Nothin

The difference between us is that I can see unassisted what the truth is so the source is IRRELEVANT to me.

This is what you are failing to understand.

It's okay though..
Done here

Could you imagine, that perhaps one person, might doubt you claim that: "...I can see unassisted what the truth is so the source is IRRELEVANT to me..." ?

Perhaps that is your personal truth?
Can you say that you have never been fooled?

How do you personally verify that you are always seeing truth, and that you are not engaging in a belief?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: JameSimon

Iirc the qumran scrolls predate the Greeks. And that's just the oldest surviving scroll. The oral tradition went on for a long time before that.

Show me Qur'an scrolls that talk about the earth being round.

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

I don't know who IINA is...

But I don't live in a world where I doubt everything... Though that does tend to happen to those that spend too many years reading about conspiracy... it actually becomes a mental illness after a time

I've known several people that are complete loons now only because they've been dealing with conspiracy for decades

One guy thinks he can "bust clouds"... funny thing is he started on ATS

I figure that's how people start to believe the earth is flat too... they abandon all logic and reason because of too much conspiracy... and end up falling for complete stupidity

In any case, You're free to believe whatever you like... I mean, I suppose 0 gravity isn't real either?

On the planet it isn't (yet)… perhaps in the future...

the usual explanation is strings or wires... CGI

It gets old after a while

Sorry: IINA is member Itisnowagain, and was refering to a vid they posted on page 28 of this thread.
Did you watch?

If you are not doubting, are you then engaging in belief, or something else?

Have always enjoyed hearing the loon's calls, thanks for the memory engagement!
Haven't heard one in the wild, in many years now. Am feeling nostalgic.

Do you wish to examine beliefs, and supposed truths?

ah yes buddy in the scuba gear... pretty ridiculous

Sure anything can be faked these days... what you see in the sky can't be though... unless we live in a simulation or we resort to "god did it"

Same as 0 gravity... can't be faked unless one opts for the CGI route... which is usually nonsense anyways

Now IF you wish to examine beliefs we're in the wrong section... but IF you wish

I've seen the iss with my 2 eyes and confirmed its position online. You can also see the full iss without it resembling a dot in the sky with a telescope. With that you can actually see the full thing. Flat earth is bull*, period.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

I don't know who IINA is...

But I don't live in a world where I doubt everything... Though that does tend to happen to those that spend too many years reading about conspiracy... it actually becomes a mental illness after a time

I've known several people that are complete loons now only because they've been dealing with conspiracy for decades

One guy thinks he can "bust clouds"... funny thing is he started on ATS

I figure that's how people start to believe the earth is flat too... they abandon all logic and reason because of too much conspiracy... and end up falling for complete stupidity

In any case, You're free to believe whatever you like... I mean, I suppose 0 gravity isn't real either?

On the planet it isn't (yet)… perhaps in the future...

the usual explanation is strings or wires... CGI

It gets old after a while

Sorry: IINA is member Itisnowagain, and was refering to a vid they posted on page 28 of this thread.
Did you watch?

If you are not doubting, are you then engaging in belief, or something else?

Have always enjoyed hearing the loon's calls, thanks for the memory engagement!
Haven't heard one in the wild, in many years now. Am feeling nostalgic.

Do you wish to examine beliefs, and supposed truths?

ah yes buddy in the scuba gear... pretty ridiculous

Sure anything can be faked these days... what you see in the sky can't be though... unless we live in a simulation or we resort to "god did it"

Same as 0 gravity... can't be faked unless one opts for the CGI route... which is usually nonsense anyways

Now IF you wish to examine beliefs we're in the wrong section... but IF you wish

Agreed that there was some silliness in that vid.
Maybe also other things, like a morcel of food-for-thought, worthy of contemplation?

Sometimes ponder that humour is an interesting tool, in the examination of percieved truths.
Some may say that we laugh with humour, because sometimes it exposes an incongruent juxtaposition of some of our beliefs, exposing to us a potential situation of our own cognitive dissonance.

Carlin, Stanhope, Hicks, Rock, Burr, oh the belly laughs that have been experienced!

Have you ever experienced that?

What, if any, tools/methods do you use, to investigate what is truth, and what is belief?

a reply to: Nothin

Everyone has their own truths... be it spiritual or physical

it is said that one holds to their truth until a greater truth is found... then that truth takes hold

And in this world its hard to find truth in anything... especially since anything can be faked

Fortunately we do have reality... Some truths are impossible to deny...

Like the shape of the earth... its a globe, impossible to deny, and we delve into idiocy to attempt to deny it

physics crumbles on anything but such an earth... and there is a reason why we have PhD's in said field

So what kind of truth are you looking for?

originally posted by: JameSimon
I've seen the iss with my 2 eyes and confirmed its position online. You can also see the full iss without it resembling a dot in the sky with a telescope. With that you can actually see the full thing. Flat earth is bull*, period.

Are you claiming that you believe what NASA is telling you online, even if they have been agreed-upon in this thread, as being an occasionaly dishonest agency?

Would that not be a belief, rather than a truth?

How do you know that FE is BS?

a reply to: Nothin

its actually the biggest pile of BS ever conceived...

a reply to: Nothin

NASA has ZERO contribution to my acceptence of the spheroid model

i havve personally done multiple experiments that erify that the earth is a spheroid achiving errors of 1.2 > 2.7 % - thats a REAL error of less than 300km from the official data

the only thing that i acccept " on faith " - from NASA in this regard is the oblateness of the earth ie polar diameter + less than equitorial diameter

the difference between the two = a fraction of my most " accurate " error

so i accept NASA -

thats it - why do people continue to drag NASA into this ?????????????????


ETA :

my prevviouis thread on flat earth claims [ none of which is dependant on NASA data

thread

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

Everyone has their own truths... be it spiritual or physical

it is said that one holds to their truth until a greater truth is found... then that truth takes hold

And in this world its hard to find truth in anything... especially since anything can be faked

Fortunately we do have reality... Some truths are impossible to deny...

Like the shape of the earth... its a globe, impossible to deny, and we delve into idiocy to attempt to deny it

physics crumbles on anything but such an earth... and there is a reason why we have PhD's in said field

So what kind of truth are you looking for?

So you say many of us have personal truths, with a small 't', and these may change and vary, ya?
Feels reasonable enough to consider.
Also rises an idea, that since folks' small-t-truths change, that we are perhaps not seeing any big-T-Truths.
Can you see that angle?

"...Some truths are impossible to deny..., ...Like the shape of the earth... its a globe, impossible to deny, and we delve into idiocy to attempt to deny it...".

What if you encounter someone whom does not agree with you?
Would it be fair to call them an idiot, and write-off the idea?ç
Or might that expose someone engaging in a belief, or belief-system?

Does "PHD" signify an always honest and absolutely Truthful person?

Do not claim to understand, but some say that QM theories, challenge accepted standard classic physics 'truths', questioning whether they are indeed 'Truths', or merely beliefs.

"...So what kind of truth are you looking for?..."
Not looking for any kind of truth.
Am examining what might be belief, and what may be false.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

its actually the biggest pile of BS ever conceived...

That's what you claim.
Have any proof that we could agree upon?

a reply to: Nothin

What if you encounter someone whom does not agree with you?
Would it be fair to call them an idiot, and write-off the idea?ç
Or might that expose someone engaging in a belief, or belief-system?

that would depend on the situation I suppose... I couldn't care less if someone disagrees with me... in fact I welcome it

Now IF that person insists their truth is correct... and can not prove it... that would be ignorance, and they are also welcome to that...

IF said person attempted to tell me what I know to be false is truth... and then insulted me in the process... yeah perhaps he/she is an idiot... also not my problem

Flat earthers are just morons though... its really as simple as that lol

Does "PHD" signify an always honest and absolutely Truthful person?

Absolutely not... Though experiments that can be reproduced at will tend to convince

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

its actually the biggest pile of BS ever conceived...

That's what you claim.
Have any proof that we could agree upon?

Send a camera up in a helium balloon

Children have done it FFS...

a reply to: Nothin

please prove the absolute undeniabilty of those pix, or we are left to doubt their authenticity.

lets cut to the chace :

what does " absolute undeniability " evven mean ?

and the key - what would you accept as evidence ?????????????

rational people - only doubt things if there is a reason to - whats your reason ???

...............................................................................

That's what you claim.
Have any proof that we could agree upon?

what evidence would you accept ?????????????


reading your " contribution " - to this thread - all i sea is mental mastrubatory JAQing off

you keep asking people to " proe " things - while offering no reason to doubt

any idiot can do this - you just reject any evidence - annd say " provve it "

the stench of troll is rising

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Nothin

NASA has ZERO contribution to my acceptence of the spheroid model

i havve personally done multiple experiments that erify that the earth is a spheroid achiving errors of 1.2 > 2.7 % - thats a REAL error of less than 300km from the official data

the only thing that i acccept " on faith " - from NASA in this regard is the oblateness of the earth ie polar diameter + less than equitorial diameter

the difference between the two = a fraction of my most " accurate " error

so i accept NASA -

thats it - why do people continue to drag NASA into this ?????????????????


ETA :

my prevviouis thread on flat earth claims [ none of which is dependant on NASA data

thread

Ok: so you have admitted to sometimes accepting NASA.
How is that not a belief?

Your experiments are for you. How should we perceive them as Truth for us?

You put a lot of effort into that linked thread. So far only read the OP, and not the ensuing discussions.
So many assertions, so many opportunities for questioning.

How is: "...a fraction of my most " accurate " error...", Truth, and not belief?
How is any error belivable?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

What if you encounter someone whom does not agree with you?
Would it be fair to call them an idiot, and write-off the idea?ç
Or might that expose someone engaging in a belief, or belief-system?

that would depend on the situation I suppose... I couldn't care less if someone disagrees with me... in fact I welcome it

Now IF that person insists their truth is correct... and can not prove it... that would be ignorance, and they are also welcome to that...

IF said person attempted to tell me what I know to be false is truth... and then insulted me in the process... yeah perhaps he/she is an idiot... also not my problem

Flat earthers are just morons though... its really as simple as that lol

Does "PHD" signify an always honest and absolutely Truthful person?

Absolutely not... Though experiments that can be reproduced at will tend to convince

"...Flat earthers are just morons though... its really as simple as that lol..."

How is that not you engaging in beliefs, and not any kind of agreeable Truth?

Have you exposed anyones false beliefs here?
Have you not demonstrated your own false beliefs?

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

its actually the biggest pile of BS ever conceived...

That's what you claim.
Have any proof that we could agree upon?

Send a camera up in a helium balloon

Children have done it FFS...

So what?
You have done this and convinced yourself?

Don't have those things, here now.
What if am not seeking to convince myself?

a reply to: Nothin

What if am not seeking to convince myself?

Don't worry man... In reality everything is a lie

No need to convince anyone... just sit comfey in that ideal

a reply to: Akragon
The only thing that you can know for sure is that you are...............but what are you?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Nothin

please prove the absolute undeniabilty of those pix, or we are left to doubt their authenticity.

lets cut to the chace :

what does " absolute undeniability " evven mean ?

and the key - what would you accept as evidence ?????????????

rational people - only doubt things if there is a reason to - whats your reason ???

...............................................................................

That's what you claim.
Have any proof that we could agree upon?

what evidence would you accept ?????????????


reading your " contribution " - to this thread - all i sea is mental mastrubatory JAQing off

you keep asking people to " proe " things - while offering no reason to doubt

any idiot can do this - you just reject any evidence - annd say " provve it "

the stench of troll is rising

"...what does " absolute undeniability " evven mean ?..."
Fair question perhaps.
What does it mean to you?
How do you tell truth from belief?

"...and the key - what would you accept as evidence ?????????????..."
Were they having a sale on question marks?
Yeah: that is just silliness on my part.
Answer: not much.

"...rational people - only doubt things if there is a reason to - whats your reason ???..."

Are you some kind of expert, on what 'rational', or not, people do?
Are you able to bring-forth, some kind of agreeable truth, tabout what these supposed rational people do?
Is there any way for one, to discover what a rational person would deem truth, or doubtworthy?
Who is to say, you?

"...reading your " contribution " - to this thread - all i sea is mental mastrubatory JAQing off

you keep asking people to " proe " things - while offering no reason to doubt

any idiot can do this - you just reject any evidence - annd say " provve it "

the stench of troll is rising..."

Perhaps some would agree with you, perhaps others not.
This is not Truth, but opinion. Belief. (This is my opinion, and not objective truth. Am willing to examine it, if you wish.).

Feels like you are defending beliefs, and no agreeable Truths?

Is there not many reasons to doubt?

"...the stench of troll is rising..."..."

Not purposely trolling, but can see how you might consider that.
Do you have any friendly suggestions, as to how my posts might less appear to be trolling?

Am more interested in an honest attempt to exchange, than any games.
That might be a belief. Am considering that.