originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: anzha
France and Germany are open to others joining the new fighter project:
I hope the UK don't join this programme if it's led by Airbus and Dassault. The UK would be very helpful in pump priming and giving the tech to make
it work, but ultimately it would be a French show. Better for the UK to find other defence alliances if the EU want to make the UK subservient in
They have even nicked the names "Future Combat Air System" from the Brits. The French are laughing into their foie gras at the thought of finally
being the centre of attention.
Whilst I agree with you your sentiment, i wont put words in your mouth so I will say that I dislike and mistrust the French, not in a general way, ie.
every French person, but in terms of what i deems as disrespectful and arrogant with their political class. Not saying the UK politicos are any
better, but at least they are ours!
Ive said before, I worked at Warton during FOAS which was a UK/Franco project called Future Offensive Air System. Rumour at the time was the Americans
wouldnt do any business with us with the French in the room so the French were placed in a temporary (now 25 years old temporary) building on the edge
of the airfield. I dont recall any UK/US partnerships that would drive this except Replica did come out some time after FOAS so must have been in
I suppose i dont really believe it as much now, there is a wide spread dislike of the French in many areas of the UK and and at the time they were
seen as leaking Conocorde plans to the Russians and stealing EFA ides to make Rafale whereby we in the aircraft industry could really take that
stereotype to the next level and we did.
The largest problem with FOAS at the time (non tech) was that it was politically incorrect to have an Offensive system, it all had to be about
defence, I dont recall FOAS being renamed FCAS directly, as I remember it, FOAS went away for a while, Typhoon was coming into service and who knows
what was happening with Replica and the F-35 which seemed to fit the FOAS bit.
UK industry then joined together to look at Taranis amongst many other UAVs to show the UK what industry can do.
I suppose at some point post Taranis and Neuron, FCAS came back on the radar but I couldnt pin the two as an direct follow on from FOAS.
What does interest me though is why we continue this 'European' dream, the biggest wars in 200 years have been internal to Europe and the USA and
Commonwealth have won these for others to start again, apologise, forget, forgive.....apart from location, I have no idea why the US, Canada, UK, NZ,
Aus and perhaps some others create the CUJDA - Commonwealth, US and Japan Defence Agency, we can also invite Sweden.
I would let those Europeans sort their own sh1t out, we dont need mexican walls, we just get a defence force that can work with immigration and the
police to turf them back to france or republic of ireland.