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I was diagnosed with DSPD

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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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After years of having what I thought was insomnia, I decided to actually go see a doctor about it. I'll admit, I was mainly hoping to get some kind of prescription. But it turns out it isn't insomnia, it's DSPD. Which basically means your circadian rhythm is longer than the normal 24 hour circadian rhythm most people have. It may not be insomnia, but it sucks just as bad. Kind of like an eternal jet lag.


Delayed sleep phase disorder (DSPD), also known as delayed sleep phase syndrome or delayed sleep phase type, and in the 2014 revision of the International Classification of Sleep Disorders (ICSD-3), delayed sleep-wake phase disorder, is a chronic dysregulation of a person's circadian rhythm (biological clock), compared to the general population and relative to societal norms. The disorder affects the timing of sleep, peak period of alertness, the core body temperature rhythm, and hormonal and other daily cycles. People with DSPD generally fall asleep some hours after midnight and have difficulty waking up in the morning.[1] People with DSPD probably have a circadian period significantly longer than 24 hours.[2] Depending on the severity, the symptoms can be managed to a greater or lesser degree, but no cure is known.

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Bad part is there is nothing you can do about it. Light therapy and dark therapy are two non-medication style treatments, but even those don't work in 50% of people who try them. Also Modafinil, but that also has only shown limited success in people with this disorder. I'm just wondering, does anyone else have this and if so, what are the things that work for you? I'm lucky to have a job right now where I can work out of my home and sleep and wake up when I feel like it, but for years it was a living hell having to conform to normal waking hours.

Any advice or tips? If you have insomnia I'd like to hear of anything that worked for you as well. Thanks.




posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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Sign up for that Mars trip. I think their days are longer there.

I got my cycle back in sinc. I don't know how that happened, I hate getting tired at eleven oclock, I want to reverse it but don't know how. I get up a little before daylight every day now too, that sucks, the wife sleeps till nine thirty Her cycle is still off, she goes bed at the same time as I do, she adapts easily and just gets up later. I just get about five or six hours of sleep when I go sleep late.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Interesting. Did your GP diagnose you? It sounds like something most doctors would not even know about or subscribe to. That said, from the description, I think I have it too!


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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:13 PM
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I self medicate with a couple of beers every night. Seems to be enough to slow my body down to a point where i can usually go to bed by midnight, now waking in the am... different story.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Sign up for that Mars trip. I think their days are longer there.

I got my cycle back in sinc. I don't know how that happened, I hate getting tired at eleven oclock, I want to reverse it but don't know how. I get up a little before daylight every day now too, that sucks, the wife sleeps till nine thirty Her cycle is still off, she goes bed at the same time as I do, she adapts easily and just gets up later. I just get about five or six hours of sleep when I go sleep late.

6 hours is a full nights sleep for me, when I can get that. I used to have to leave for work at 5:30 am, and I couldn't make myself go to sleep if I tried until about 3:30- 4 am. After a few days of that, I'd be completely ran down. Then come home and fall into a coma like sleep for 14 hours, wake up, go to work, and do it all over again. Now I usually sleep from about 3 am to around 9 am, if possible.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:15 PM
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Serotonin and house plants.

I know it sounds retarded, however, you would be suprised.

Get whatever plants, shrubs you like. Setup a timer on the lights. 16 hours/ day for growth for a few month's. Then switch to 12 hours of light for flowering. When plants go to their dark cycle, they dump gasses like o2 and c02.
If you take serotonin an hour before they outgas, you will naturally reset your circadian rythym. Or at least create a rythym that simulates a natural one.
It's cheap, easy, and is a natural stress reducer.
Good luck.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: underwerks

Interesting. Did your GP diagnose you? It sounds like something most doctors would not even know about or subscribe to. That said, from the description, I think I have it too!

I was referred to a sleep specialist by my GP. The crappiest part was having to keep a "sleep diary" for a while, and waiting on a diagnosis to see if there was anything to be done. Which, my luck, of course there's nothing I can do about it.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: Natas0114
Serotonin and house plants.

I know it sounds retarded, however, you would be suprised.

Get whatever plants, shrubs you like. Setup a timer on the lights. 16 hours/ day for growth for a few month's. Then switch to 12 hours of light for flowering. When plants go to their dark cycle, they dump gasses like o2 and c02.
If you take serotonin an hour before they outgas, you will naturally reset your circadian rythym. Or at least create a rythym that simulates a natural one.
It's cheap, easy, and is a natural stress reducer.
Good luck.

I've been a proponent of the house plant cure for years lol. But sometimes even that doesn't work.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

"People with DSPD generally fall asleep some hours after midnight and have difficulty waking up in the morning."

Guess I have it too. I don't have any tips, other than no caffeine after noon. But I also enjoy what seems like my only free and quiet time once the family is asleep. Just hate the waking up part.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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I have never heard of this and yea it sounds draining. I'm a bit of a night owl and I ran across some info about computer screen light late at night affecting our melatonin production and interfering with sleep rhythms. I found this site called
flux that reduces the blue light in computer and I noticed a minimizing effect to my grogginess and loss of color in my face in the mornings. I also had darkness under my eyes before using flux, as a result of computer screen late at night. It is a common thing I realized.

This site seems to have some good articles on DSPD. Your issue made me think of the '2 sleeps' notion I read about here. I hope some of this info may be helpful in some way. Personally I can attest to the blue light reduction late at night, so I hope if you haven't tried that, it may offer some relief. Good luck and thanks for sharing.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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I find that watching Bob Ross on Netflix relaxes me enough to put me to bed pretty quick.

And I think I have this too.

Always been the type of person to fall asleep late and not wanting to wake up early.

I can sleep in till about 10am with no problem.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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Jesus dude, sounds like you are describing me.

It starts and stops for me from herbal intake changes.

Did you cover this with him?

I dont know if you have heard about whit/blue spectrum lights such as led, lcd, MH, plasma and cellphones
give off a color that triggers the awake/day mode in the brain, so it can't go into sleep mode, if you are exposed to it before sleep time.




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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: waftist
I have never heard of this and yea it sounds draining. I'm a bit of a night owl and I ran across some info about computer screen light late at night affecting our melatonin production and interfering with sleep rhythms. I found this site called
flux that reduces the blue light in computer and I noticed a minimizing effect to my grogginess and loss of color in my face in the mornings. I also had darkness under my eyes before using flux, as a result of computer screen late at night. It is a common thing I realized.

This site seems to have some good articles on DSPD. Your issue made me think of the '2 sleeps' notion I read about here. I hope some of this info may be helpful in some way. Personally I can attest to the blue light reduction late at night, so I hope if you haven't tried that, it may offer some relief. Good luck and thanks for sharing.

I've read that as well. I always try to keep my laptop off after 12 am and my phone plugged in on the other side of the room so I don't see it light up throughout the night, and that actually does help a little bit. It used to be I could start reading a book and I'd be lights out after about 3 pages, but now I just end up reading till dawn lol.

Thanks for the info



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
Jesus dude, sounds like you are describing me.

It starts and stops for me from herbal intake changes.

Did you cover this with him?

I dont know if you have heard about whit/blue spectrum lights such as led, lcd, MH, plasma and cellphones
give off a color that triggers the awake/day mode in the brain, so it can't go into sleep mode, if you are exposed to it before sleep time.




The herbal intakes only help me up to the falling asleep point, then I'm awake an hour later like I never fell asleep. Cutting out the lights from computers/cellphone does help a little bit though, so I try to be conscious of that.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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Sounds a lot like what I've dealt with for years. Often if got to the point I couldn't fall asleep until about 20 minutes before the alarm goes off. I've often made the choice to simply force myself to stay awake so I'd be tired enough to sleep at an earlier time the next night. Though I often end up waking up at 2am and have to lay there til morning. It sucks because sleep is about the only luxury I can afford. Lol



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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I have bouts of "insomnia".. but mine is I basically dont NEED sleep for an extended period of time. My body does though. So.. when NOTHING else worked, I was given remeron.. 30 MG at night and kablam : sleep and no hang over feeling. It appears I have to "reset" myself every so often. I dont stay on remeron.. but use it during these periods. I work out 6 days a week, I have very physically demanding hobbies, etc. Nothing can make me actually sleep when my brain doesnt shut off.

See if yours has any patterns or anything. My patterns are looong and go with the seasons. Im going 100 MPH all summer, especially the latter part, and then start to slow in late fall. My eating habits go along with it as well. Eat a TON/fast .. back anc forth all summer months and steady eat all winter, but not a lot. I didnt notice this pattern until I was in my 30's.. and a sleep study cant identify it, nor a sleep diary unless its incredibly detailed. Mine was so extreme it was easier to see. I can imagine a more subtle disturbance is incredibly hard to correctly diagnose and treat.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Crap idk then dude. Thanks for sharing, I need to look into this.

I just get into a cycle and sleep like 5 hrs until it adds up to a major exhaustion crash, then sleep for about 12 hours, it is annoying as hell. Over and over.

I didn't have the problem back when I was consistantly doing manual labor all day though.





posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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Actually I just remembered. For a couple of years I lived in a motor home, and I never slept so soundly before or since. I theorized that it may have been due to not having AC electricity running through the structure, and lack of electronic pollution due to my cell phone being turned off. Don't know if that could help you, I assume you can't turn your electricity off before going to bed.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Sorry man, that sucks. My only other suggestion is a woodstove or fireplace. Something about a fire calms the mind and body.
Again, good luck.



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