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Republicans Introduce a Bill to Break Up the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: F4guy
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I'm not sure if you really understand what you've said here. For one, the 9th Circuit covers a hell of a lot more than 11 million people. California alone has 40 million people. And do you understand the idea of levels of each court, like district courts fall under the appeals courts and the 11 appeals courts all operate under the Supreme Court. So, yes, the supreme handles only a certain amount of cases representing all of us Americans, while each circuit handles so many more cases within their jurisdiction. Population plays a huge role in this because the larger population, the more caseload you'll have. California, only 1 state in this 7 state circuit, has 40 million people, in comparison to the 7th Circuit which represents IL, WI and IN, with a total population of 25 million between them. How you can try to claim this is only political without seeing the lopsided-ness is pure ignorance.
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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

You shouldn't have #ed up the election then should you?

Should of run a electable candidate on polices people gave a # about not a detested tainted dynasty politician on a platform of identity politics.

You get the government you deserve.....
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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: F4guy

originally posted by: Natas0114
Wow, thanks for the heads up. Is there no regulation that controls the size of a circuit court? Is it based upon number of citizens? Again, I apologize for my lack of legal proceedings knowledge.


No, the makeup is the result of history. Originally, the 9th Circuit covered the 6 westernmost states with about 2 million people. Hawaii, Arizona were added later. It now covers a population of about 11 million. It covers that 11 million with 48 judges. The Supreme Court covers a population of 323 million with only 9 judges, so population is a pretty transparent argument. The GOP is making a threat that if the 9th Circuit doesn't fellate the golden Cheetoh like the GOP does, they will be broken up.


I fully understand the makeup of the federal court system, having tried, or argued cases in the District Courts, Courts of Appeal and Supreme Court, as well as the Court of Claims, US Tax Court, and the Court of Patents and Trademark Appeals. And FDR tried the same sort of political machinations in 1937. Didn't work for him either.

I'm not sure if you really understand what you've said here. For one, the 9th Circuit covers a hell of a lot more than 11 million people. California alone has 40 million people. And do you understand the idea of levels of each court, like district courts fall under the appeals courts and the 11 appeals courts all operate under the Supreme Court. So, yes, the supreme handles only a certain amount of cases representing all of us Americans, while each circuit handles so many more cases within their jurisdiction. Population plays a huge role in this because the larger population, the more caseload you'll have. California, only 1 state in this 7 state circuit, has 40 million people, in comparison to the 7th Circuit which represents IL, WI and IN, with a total population of 25 million between them. How you can try to claim this is only political without seeing the lopsided-ness is pure ignorance.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper
How you can try to claim this is only political without seeing the lopsided-ness is pure ignorance.


Would there be any uproar if the 9th circuit leaned conservative? I doubt it.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: carewemust

And the culling of the government's checks and balances begins. Can't politicize the judicial department? Defang it.


LOL.

When a single federal judge issues an order against a President EO, that's checks and balances. But when the legislature exercises it's Constitutional power to define a court's jurisdiction that violates checks and balances????

So funny.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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The ninth circuit appeals court has reached a decision regarding the Seven Nation temporary travel ban. it will be announced before the end of the day.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
February 9, 2017

It's interesting that this bill was introduced last month. Were it not for the current Immigration E.O. reaching the 9th Circuit, we probably would have never heard of it?

"As judges on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals weigh the legality of President Trump’s immigration executive order, a Republican push to split up the controversial court -- and shrink its clout -- is gaining steam on Capitol Hill. 

Republican Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain of Arizona introduced legislation last month to carve six states out of the San Francisco-based court circuit and create a brand new 12th Circuit."

Full Article: www.foxnews.com...

What do you think ATS members? Should part of the 9th circuit be converted into a new 12th circuit court of appeals?

-cwm


Republicans seem to think they will be in power forever and that if they can just rig things right all their fantastical dreams will come true. Breaking up the 9th circuit is apparently one of those dreams. They want political rubber-stamping from the courts, maybe? How is that going to work with so-called checks and balances proscribed in the Constitution...???



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
The ninth circuit appeals court has reached a decision regarding the Seven Nation temporary travel ban. it will be announced before the end of the day.


BTW -- my issue is how it was done.

People in the air, on their way, with all the correct paperwork.

What a mess.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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We are talking about a court with a legendary reputation for leftist judicial activism. To the point they have butted heads with the SC time and time again to be constantly over ruled. I can't say they do anything good for either side since it seems they are just a waste of time while wasting everyone else's time too in their senseless dribble of rulings.

A direct quote from the SC about the 9th DC ...

Supreme Court accused the appeals court of exhibiting “judicial disregard” for “sound and established principles” of law.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

To ALL 9th Circuit Court Judges..............

Politics Does Not Dictate or Amend through Interpitation , Constitution Law .



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust
The ninth circuit appeals court has reached a decision regarding the Seven Nation temporary travel ban. it will be announced before the end of the day.


BTW -- my issue is how it was done.

People in the air, on their way, with all the correct paperwork.

What a mess.


Yes it was implemented without enough coordination. But everyone pretty much agrees on that point. A topic in another ongoing thread I believe.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust

To ALL 9th Circuit Court Judges..............

Politics Does Not Dictate or Amend through Interpitation , Constitution Law .


As pointed out above, even the Supreme Court says that the 9th Circuit is (my word) "GOOFY".



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Rezlooper
How you can try to claim this is only political without seeing the lopsided-ness is pure ignorance.


Would there be any uproar if the 9th circuit leaned conservative? I doubt it.



What about justice for people with legitimate appeals in one of those 7 states when there is a backed up case load of thousands. It averages 15 months for the court to hand down a decision. The court covers 20% of our population. They have the most of any Circuit where their decisions are overturned by the Supreme Court. Their decisions are so out-there that the Supreme Court occasionally overturns their decisions by unanimous vote, keeping in mind that the Supreme Court has four liberal judges on it.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: F4guy

If you are an attorney, then why did you say the court only represents 11 million people when it actually represents over 65 million. Am I missing something here. And why would you equate the population issue as a non-issue comparing a circuit that only represents a portion of the nation versus the Supreme Court which represents all of the nation. Not comprehending your logic on this argument.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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It now covers a population of about 11 million. It covers that 11 million with 48 judges.


What?!

Los Angeles County in CA has over 10 million people all by itself.

Your numbers are *way* off...



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Rezlooper
How you can try to claim this is only political without seeing the lopsided-ness is pure ignorance.


Would there be any uproar if the 9th circuit leaned conservative? I doubt it.



Their decisions are so out-there that the Supreme Court occasionally overturns their decisions by unanimous vote, keeping in mind that the Supreme Court has four liberal judges on it.


Shouldn't hide this statement at the bottom.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 08:03 PM
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How would breaking them up even affect the liberal stronghold in the region?

Are people suddenly going to flip ideologies??



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: carewemust

And the culling of the government's checks and balances begins. Can't politicize the judicial department? Defang it.


LOL.

When a single federal judge issues an order against a President EO, that's checks and balances. But when the legislature exercises it's Constitutional power to define a court's jurisdiction that violates checks and balances????

So funny.

Oh come on! Don't be coy, we all know that Congress is doing this because they find it inconvenient that the appeals court is holding up the EO. This is a blatant attempt to interject politics into the judicial system and you know it (or at least you should).



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Except this was filed before the EO was even signed.
Do you know that 86% of appeals from the 9th court are overturned? 86%



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Except this was filed before the EO was even signed.
Do you know that 86% of appeals from the 9th court are overturned? 86%

So?



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