The Hypocrisy of the left on Muslim ban - democrats supported it in 2015

Seriously, you guys that think the left is hypocritical about what Trump is doing need to learn how to read.

The bill was a ban for those that DO NOT HAVE VISAS to enter the US. This is completely different from what is going on right now, a ban even to those THAT DO HAVE VISAS to enter the US.

Obama did the right thing to require visas because we want to perform a background security search that takes about 2 years to complete before the refugee or visitor to enter the US. We want to make sure that these people are not security risks which is reasonable. Trump is taking it to a different level, there is a complete bar from these countries and I can't believe I am going to quote Mike Pence here, but I agree with Pence in that what Trump is doing is unconstitutional on its face.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Deny Arrogance

The IRONY is blistering.

Pssst. For there to be IRONY, there would have to be an actual double-standard. There isn't one.
The OP is stating a completely false equivalency and saying "SEE!! THEY DID IT TOO!" It just isn't true.

So, what happened with the original bill? Why hasn't it been in effect all along? Why did Trump even have to do this, it was done already.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Sure thing.

It is just an amazing coincidence that the countries affected by Trump's policy came directly from Obama's policy and nobody ever called Obama a racist islamaphobe for choosing those exact Muslim countries.

Breaking News: USA President Bans Muslim Immigrants!

Are people reading more than just the headline here?

The bill that was passed in 2015 was a ban on those traveling WITHOUT visas into the US. What's happening today is a ban on travel irregardless of any LEGAL visas priorly obtained. This ban affects people visiting family, people currently traveling for work, green card holders, folks on vacation, etc. It affects law-abiding people who took the necessary measures to travel LEGALLY to this country. It's absolutely not the same.

a reply to: yogurt

and the one from 2011?

a reply to: Xcathdra

The bill from 2011 is a refugee resettlement program.

As I said before, Trump's ban is affecting all types of legal travelers from those countries: immigrants, workers, and green card holders. This is much bigger than stopping refugees from entering. The majority of people being denied entry are not refugees, but regular people. This is a huge disruption and very different from both 2011 and 2015 bills.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Old rules from last administration.

New ones coming soon.

a reply to: Xcathdra

bar those from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa.

All due respect, but I think the commas in that sentence are throwing you off.

It's not the same as what Trump did with his EO.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: AboveBoard
Old rules from last administration.

New ones coming soon.

Why are people having such a hard time getting used to that? Did they think the last POTUS actually wielded the hand of God and "all things that were" became a permanent burden to bear for eternity? Did they miss the wailing and fail to understand what it Meant when Trump "rose to power" and disposed of Hillary?

Brother, those shackles have been cast aside. I feel freer with each passing day.

a reply to: introvert

The action Obama took in 2011 with regards to Iraq is.

Secondly its not a permanent ban on Muslims. Its a 90 day hold to develop new gui9delines for vetting.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The action Obama took in 2011 with regards to Iraq is.

No, it's not. Read it again and take in to account the punctuation for proper context.

Secondly its not a permanent ban on Muslims. Its a 90 day hold to develop new gui9delines for vetting.

I did not say it was a permanent ban on Muslims. A bit of a red herring.

a reply to: introvert

Not the 2015 issue.. The 2011 Iraq issue where Obama froze iraqis from coming to the US. The op has been updated with the additional article.

Yes the left is using the ban as a red herring.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Not the 2015 issue.. The 2011 Iraq issue where Obama froze iraqis from coming to the US. The op has been updated with the additional article.

After they had found evidence of a real problem and a real threat.

What evidence does Trump have that remotely resembles that?

a reply to: introvert

2009 Attempted to detonate explosive on aircraft - suspect was not a US citizen.
2010 Car bomb plot Portland - suspect was somali
2013 Boston bombings - suspects were not US citizens.
2015 Garland Curtis Culwell attacks - 1 of 3 suspects was pakistani
2015 Chattanooga shooting - suspect was not a US citizen (Kuwait)
2015 The San Bernardino shooting - The 2nd shooter, the wife, was not a US citizen (pakistan)
2016 Ohio machete attack - suspect was not a US citizen (Somali)
2016 New York / New Jersey bombings - suspect was not a US citizen (Afghanistan)
IRGC Iran stated they were sending elite IRGC units to the US and EU.

The list above are all incidents where the suspect / 1 of the suspects was not a US citizen. The list does not include US citizens who were Muslim and committed acts of terror on behalf of a terror group from the middle east. In almost all cases the suspects can be linked back to groups n the countries listed or groups from the region known for training terrorists.

1 incident is 1 to many and Trump has grounds to halt people from those countries for 90 days while a new vetting procedure is put in place.

a reply to: ColaTesla

So what you're saying is you are sad to see that the influx of islamic terrorism is going to be stopped?

What influx is that exactly?

Notice the list of countries that are NOT on the 'banned' list. Where are these four:

Saudi Arabia.
Lebanon.
Egypt.
United Arab Emirates.

The 9/11 hijackers were from those four countries and were financed by Saudi Arabia.

Yet they are not mentioned in the EO ban.

Other than the fact that the 9/11 perpetrators were from those 4 countries, what else do they have in common?

Oh, yeah. Trump has major financial interests in each and every one of them.

And Fox News is 30% owned by Saudi Arabia.

Here is something interesting:

Here's why Trump's Muslim ban makes literally NO sense: it bans people from countries whose citizens have never attacked the United States.

a reply to: rnaa
Yet those countries are ones who have trained terrorists and where leadership of said groups reside.

Facts:
The ruling allows people already in the US access to a lawyer and prevents them from being placed on a plane and sent back to their country of origin. They do not stop the executive order nor does it call into question the legality nor constitutionality of the order. Immigration is the purview of the President.

The order also allows people from those 7 countries to have their case reviewed on a case by case basis so people from those countries can still enter the US.

It is not a ban and does not apply only to Muslims. The order is temporary (90 days) to allow new vetting procedures to be developed and implemented.

Key facts the media and insane liberal left are intentionally leaving out.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Immigration is the purview of the President.

No it isn't. It is the 'purview' of Congress. Congress, through its power granted by the Constitution, has provided that there shall be no discrimination based on race or nationality in immigration.

The President is required to administer the Law, not redefine it as he sees fit.