The Hypocrisy of the left on Muslim ban - democrats supported it in 2015

originally posted by: sasadude
a reply to: DJW001

Iran state sponsored tuition.

Then Iran paid for the information and training, so, again, not thievery.

originally posted by: sasadude
a reply to: DJW001

He is the president. He has the power and authority to do whatever is necessary for the safety of American citizens, at home and abroad.

He has the power and authority to do whatever is permitted to the office by the Constitution. He has zero authority over other sovereign nations.

originally posted by: yogurt
Are people reading more than just the headline here?

The bill that was passed in 2015 was a ban on those traveling WITHOUT visas into the US. What's happening today is a ban on travel irregardless of any LEGAL visas priorly obtained. This ban affects people visiting family, people currently traveling for work, green card holders, folks on vacation, etc. It affects law-abiding people who took the necessary measures to travel LEGALLY to this country. It's absolutely not the same.

The cavalry is here,
14 posts, signed up on jan 4 2014. Posts like its a regular poster. Looks like the extra leftivist accounts are being activated for this one.

a reply to: DJW001

They take advantage. The US government does not vet these engineering students.

a reply to: DJW001

He suspends issue of visa to foreigners. That is under the US jurisdiction.

Regardless what anyone believes, Trump is sending a message.

This is not the Obama administration. It may make a difference, it may not.

It probably won't.

I mean, it's a 90 day ban.

But what it is doing is telling the world that the US is not timid, it will not hesitate in closing it's borders to perceived threats.

No more "open border" "globalist" bull crap.

a reply to: DBCowboy

After 90 days, visa process will be revamped and only about 1000 refugees will be let in a month with Christians as priority.

a reply to: sasadude

What other nations are accepting Christian refugees?

Curious.

a reply to: DBCowboy

A lot, but they do not prioritize Christians. America will prioritize Christians.

originally posted by: sasadude
a reply to: DBCowboy

A lot, but they do not prioritize Christians. America will prioritize Christians.

Any reason why the Obama administration was prioritizing Muslims?

And I'll have to research the "A lot".

a reply to: DBCowboy

He did not prioritize anyone.

originally posted by: sasadude
a reply to: DBCowboy

A lot, but they do not prioritize Christians. America will prioritize Christians.

www1.cbn.com...

Sweden, one of the biggest supporters for "refugee's"

Refugees: Sweden's Deadly Double Standard against Christians

STOCKHOLM, Sweden -- While Europe has welcomed in thousands of Syrians, mostly Muslims, it's a different story for Pakistani Christians. In Sweden, many are being ordered to return home -- and some may face death. Hundreds of thousands of Muslim migrants have sought a better life in Europe. Pakistani Faisal Javaid became a Christian after he arrived in Sweden.

originally posted by: sasadude
a reply to: DBCowboy

He did not prioritize anyone.

originally posted by: sasadude
He is the president. He has the power and authority to do whatever is necessary for the safety of American citizens, at home and abroad.

I think he has endangered Americans abroad with this ban, I really fear some will be targeting Americans that are or live in other countries.

originally posted by: everyone

LOL allow me to show you the whole speech, so you can actually read what he said and why:

It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future, or the prisons of the past. And we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment. And America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future.

The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt — it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women — it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons.

The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources — it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.

Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shiite pilgrims. It's time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, that's the vision we will support.

You forgot to add that he also said that the future must not belong to those who also commit offences or crimes against Christians and Jewish. How convenient.

The whole speech can be found HERE.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Yep.

You found them out.

Totally the same thing.

Do you understand what a "visa" is? Apparently not. Trump is turning away people who not only hold a visa, they are people who have already been subjected to "extreme vetting!" If you risked your like in Iraq serving as, say, a translator, how would you feel if the United States spent two years doing security checks on you, gave you a thumbs up, then refused to let you immigrate there for your own safety and that of your family?

There hasn't been any extreme vetting, even for green card holders...That's why it's happening now...If these green carders want to travel back and forth between the U.S. and terrorist muzlim countries, they certainly need to be thoroughly investigated before they are allowed back in...

a reply to: FlyingMonkeyInSpace

Trump didn't ban people with visas that is fake news. He merely had extra vetting for those with Visas. They were questioned and processed and allowed through.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
Actually it isn't the same at all but you can believe that if it makes you feel better.

Notice the words "without a visa" in the very first sentence. That means that WITH an appropriate visa they could still travel here but would be kept out without one.

Note how some people were able to travel here without a visa until the "waiver overhaul."

This is absolutely and 100% not
The same thing as a complete ban on travel including people with appropriate visas.

What is happening now is a bloody nightmare.

and that has been quickly corrected, within 24 hours. Now WHAT?

Now is it the same?

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

Is it not likely the vetting process for visas is now being reviewed and done again because no one trusts Obama and his "Vetting".

originally posted by: everyone

The cavalry is here,
14 posts, signed up on jan 4 2014. Posts like its a regular poster. Looks like the extra leftivist accounts are being activated for this one.

With all due respect, you don't know my political ideologies, and I've been on ATS longer than you. Although I don't post often, this issue is important to me. Please don't assume I'm some 'activated' account.

The real truth right now is the democrats are the real dysfunctional party.