Pros and Cons to California seceding from the USA?

We settled this question a while ago. It was called the civil war. Let them try and then carpet bomb the hell out of the lot of them.

All enemies, foreign and domestic and California is full of domestic enemies.

originally posted by: JimmyJones63
We settled this question a while ago. It was called the civil war. Let them try and then carpet bomb the hell out of the lot of them.

All enemies, foreign and domestic and California is full of domestic enemies.

So, you want more division.

a reply to: JimmyJones63

But then we might not have a fresh supply of trendy snarky hipsters..... Boy that would suck.

originally posted by: JimmyJones63
We settled this question a while ago. It was called the civil war. Let them try and then carpet bomb the hell out of the lot of them.

All enemies, foreign and domestic and California is full of domestic enemies.

What the hell is wrong with you? You got some kind of fantasy about killing Americans. You're just waiting for a reason to shoot a bunch of people. What in the world has this country devolved into?

originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: JimmyJones63

But then we might not have a fresh supply of trendy snarky hipsters..... Boy that would suck.

What is a trendy, snarky, hipster?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: JimmyJones63

But then we might not have a fresh supply of trendy snarky hipsters..... Boy that would suck.

What is a trendy, snarky, hipster?

No one knows. Perhaps someone with a different opinion than Jimmy. Meanwhile this is happening and it comes with real evidence. While ATS acts as a willful actor in election fraud and the Trump crowd continues to bury their heads deeper into the sand.

www.usatoday.com...

If you like evidence then bad times ahead for Trump supporters.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

They (not the Russians) are trying to discredit any information does not fit with their agenda.
And some people are falling for it.
Don't be one of them.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

What kills me is that there has been a movement for Northern California to separate and become its own state since the 1940s and it has really picked up in recent years. Northern California along with the sierras and the central valley are conservative farmers and rural communities that want nothing to do with the insane policies CA forces upon us. The ENTIRE one third of the state up north (spanning multiple counties) has 6 representatives in Sacramento, whereas Los Angeles county alone has over 20 representatives in Sacramento. We have no representation up north and we want out!

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy

originally posted by: JimmyJones63
We settled this question a while ago. It was called the civil war. Let them try and then carpet bomb the hell out of the lot of them.

All enemies, foreign and domestic and California is full of domestic enemies.

What the hell is wrong with you? You got some kind of fantasy about killing Americans. You're just waiting for a reason to shoot a bunch of people. What in the world has this country devolved into?

Live in CA, lived in the SF bay area, can confirm a plethora of anti-american communists and socialists that I would consider domestic enemies

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: JimmyJones63

But then we might not have a fresh supply of trendy snarky hipsters..... Boy that would suck.

What is a trendy, snarky, hipster?

No one knows. Perhaps someone with a different opinion than Jimmy. Meanwhile this is happening and it comes with real evidence. While ATS acts as a willful actor in election fraud and the Trump crowd continues to bury their heads deeper into the sand.

www.usatoday.com...

If you like evidence then bad times ahead for Trump supporters.

Trump is a narcissist, bully, crook, that doesn't give a crap about anything except himself and/or what's good for Trump.

This whole fiasco is so bizarre.

I doubt he, personally, can keep it together for 4 years. And the people he's bringing in are just like him. The dangerous ones having better focus and thicker skin.

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Meh, we would just recycle our water and build desal plants.

We are in the process of addressing this issue as these projects are currently in the books. Can you imagine if CA was a right wing state. There would be news clips coming out from the state saying that 1. it is illegal to say "drought" in official state documents and 2. the drought is not real.

1) No, it wouldn't. That's silly.

2) There wouldn't be a drought because sensible GOP/conservative policies wouldn't become beholden to environmentalists seeking to protect a fish. Plus they'd probably be looking into desalination as well.

originally posted by: prevenge
Thoughts..
Well for one...
I return the podium to the original poster And ask them how they feel about California's inland empire's 70% production of US produce, and how those trade deals would work out for them....
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I suppose they'd work out well if they want money for food, otherwise why produce it all?

And if your reply is "well we'd sell it elsewhere" I'd replay "That is petty and less efficient. But if you are going to supply food to the rest of the world that eases up pressure on the rest of the USA supplying food and we can keep it inland."

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: yuppa


Yes , it could be Overturned , but it would Never get the Support to do so . Secession from the Union is Never going to Happen .

I'm not asking if it could happen or not. I'm asking pro's and con's, for both California and the USA.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Shows how much you don't know about the rest of the country.

Here's a map of states with and without employment protection for LGBT.

It's pretty clear which states are not accepting of all people. I don't need to visit them.

We're not talking about LGBT protections. We're talking about pro's and con's of secession.

originally posted by: JimmyJones63
We settled this question a while ago. It was called the civil war. Let them try and then carpet bomb the hell out of the lot of them.

All enemies, foreign and domestic and California is full of domestic enemies.

Actually in Texas vs. White the Supreme Court has said that a State may secede peacefully "through consent of the States." I believe the common interpretation would be by 'de-ratifying' the union with a 3/4 vote of the States.

You will go bankrupt without government money. All of the American companies that havent left will because you will tax them out of existance. Better start growing and selling pot to make up for all the lost revenue I know you guys just started that but thats about all you will have left.

a reply to: EightAhoydc isn't going to be a state why because the whole purpose of the district of columbia is to not have nations capital in a state. mow puerto rico i think should be a state they got to put up with all dc bravo seirra with little sayso in the matter. cali leaving would destroy them southern cali is built on a huge desert so where are they going to get there water. were are they going to get relief from every time the ground shakes.a few years ago the gov was paying their employees with i.o.u.s.i don't see us allowing them any help.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Shows how much you don't know about the rest of the country.

Here's a map of states with and without employment protection for LGBT.

It's pretty clear which states are not accepting of all people. I don't need to visit them.

We're not talking about LGBT protections. We're talking about pro's and con's of secession.

Have you read your OP? It's an outright attack on CA.

Its not just asking about pro's and con's of secession of California.

Defending against you (and other posters) a state that accepts ALL people seems quite justified in addressing the OP.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
www.forbes.com...# 2f456acc5a9c

Heck, Hillary Clinton is apparently so loved she could be their first President!
Not a ticking time bomb, but we should be left alone, I do agree with that. I live here and unless I live in some sort of alternative universe (which I don't), most So. Cal residents are doing just fine. Of course, I do live in a Republican (Hell, I'm a Republican) city and that's ok. We still come to the table and listen and consider each others wishes and concerns. We are taxed at high rates for a reason...most of the taxes do not benefit us, but do benefit the rest of the US. I'm still okay with that. Not to mention, as a major agriculture center to the world (let alone the US as at least 1/3 of all produce comes from California not to mention dairy) Californians greatly appreciate those that work the farms. They do all of us including you, a great service. Let them walk out for 5 days and see what happens. Your fridge will be emptier.

Heck, Hillary Clinton is apparently so loved she could be their first President!

Hillary Clinton, pffft, please....will not be my President. Trump is our next President and even though I dislike him, I have respect for his position and wish him nothing but the best of luck. Oh, and by the way, if you think he's going to somehow punish California...lol you got another thing coming. That will never happen as long as he's President. We will only prosper under his Presidency. Especially after we get rid of that god awful Gov. Brown.

Nothing says California couldn't attempt to rejoin the USA later.

If we were to succeed which I highly doubt my state will ever go through with such an ordeal, I think we would be incredibly well. Extremely well, now that I considered some of the recent laws passed. Yup, we'd be good

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Shows how much you don't know about the rest of the country.

Here's a map of states with and without employment protection for LGBT.

It's pretty clear which states are not accepting of all people. I don't need to visit them.

We're not talking about LGBT protections. We're talking about pro's and con's of secession.

Have you read your OP? It's an outright attack on CA.

It's poking fun at whiners, but not the entire state. I honestly feel sorry for all the makers and conservatives in CA who can't seem to get away from the oligarchy that has been established.

Its not just asking about pro's and con's of secession of California.

Yes, it is.

Defending against you (and other posters) a state that accepts ALL people seems quite justified in addressing the OP.

Justified in your mind, sure.