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Pros and Cons to California seceding from the USA?

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posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: Masterjaden

Technically, the privledges and immunity clause of the 14th amendment prevents states from seceding. Due to that clause it is Unconstitutional to deprive citizens of the privledges and immunities of the USA. Seceding does just that to the citizens of that seceding state.




posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: CaDreamer

What part of the constitution stops secession???

Jaden


None . Nothing at all.
See : War of Secession.
Just Justice Antonon Scalia using the "Pledge of Allegiance" stance (not legally binding , of course)
see: Texas . Technically not a State. The Federal government says it is. However , Texas never ratified t.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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if CA leaves, so will Oregon and Washington, to form Cascaadia. Then you will have decisions to make with BC in Canada, as they'd want in on the action.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
if CA leaves, so will Oregon and Washington, to form Cascaadia. Then you will have decisions to make with BC in Canada, as they'd want in on the action.


If Washington tries, it will have a huge internal fight on its hands. As a lifelong Washington resident, I want nothing to do with this, nor do my brethren east of the mountains, or anywhere except the I-5 corridor.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

During the past 8 years those states, and especially Texas has been rumbling about leaving and starting a war over various laws and policies.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist
I say don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out. Not to mention, if CA votes itself out, that northern CA will probably split from southern CA and either stay a state, or become one of its own (northern CA is pretty conservative from my experience).


CA would not split Norrh & South.

It would split West & East.


Why just 1 split?



I'm born and bred SoCA. Straight outta Compton - - actually.

There have been pushes to divide the state and multiple suggestions for years.

After awhile, you go OK - - kinda like earthquakes. Non-Californians probably pay more attention to it.

Will have to check out Tim Draper and what his angle is.

The West East seems to be most common.




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posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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Headline is referencing 2016.

But, article is from 2014.

Could California be split into six? Billionaire's plan to divide the Golden State gets enough signatures to make it onto 2016 ballot




> Timothy Draper says he has enough signatures to place it on the ballot
> Wants to chop the most populous U.S. state into smaller entities
> Says it will create responsive local governments
> Plan has raised bipartisan hackles across the state
> Opponents say it stands little chance of gaining voter approval

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... l#ixzz4QxyeKiau Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


UPDATE:


Six Californias

In early 2014, Draper filed a petition which was accepted by California's Secretary of State Debra Bowen to begin collecting signatures to divide California into six smaller states, arguing that California is "increasingly ungovernable" as one state.

However, on September 12, 2014, it was announced the plan fell short of the required amount of valid signatures to land it on the 2016 ballot. Draper spent in excess of $5 million to try to qualify the proposition for the ballot, with nearly $450,000 just for political consultants.

en.wikipedia.org...


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posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 05:06 PM
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let them go on their own! see how far they get



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Perjury
let them go on their own! see how far they get


CA is not seceding - - any time soon.

However, CA does have many natural resources of its own.

And Desalination plants are on the menu.

Question is: could your own state be able to stand alone?



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: JDeLattre89
Gotta stop you there...Send all Californian parasites that invaded Portland for the last 3 decades back to Cali, and begin to rebuild what little remains of a beautiful state!



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

It could Try , and it is Possible , but a Few things would have to be Resolved First....


The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

By withdrawing from the Union, a state would effectively be denying someone who is a citizen of the United States their rights except by due process. The key there is "due process" and in this case, the state would need to find a LEGALLY RECOGNIZED way to withdraw. This would either be some kind of legislation passed in Congress or an Amendment to the Constitution. Anything less will ensure a civil war and no state will win such a war.

US Supreme court has ruled that states cannot secede from the union -

Texas v. White

" The court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"



If Attempted , the Economic Consequences would be insurmountable .



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Perjury
let them go on their own! see how far they get


CA is not seceding - - any time soon.

However, CA does have many natural resources of its own.

And Desalination plants are on the menu.

Question is: could your own state be able to stand alone?


Other states are not the topic.

Yes California has plentiful resources, and a bunch of loony enviro-hippies that squawk at the thought of using them.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Perjury
let them go on their own! see how far they get


CA is not seceding - - any time soon.

However, CA does have many natural resources of its own.

And Desalination plants are on the menu.

Question is: could your own state be able to stand alone?


Other states are not the topic.

Yes California has plentiful resources, and a bunch of loony enviro-hippies that squawk at the thought of using them.


Do you live here? Have you lived here?

If other states are not the topic - - - then those in other states, who have no clue, should keep their mouths shut.

An emotional reaction on Twitter - - - is an emotional reaction on Twitter.

There is no serious move for CA to secede.


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posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Texas V White has got to be the most scary ruling in the history of the USA. What basically occured is that the idea of a indisolvable and perpetual union was created out of thin air by 5 SCOTUS Justices, even though nothing in the Constitution or any writings of the Founders said anything of the sort. It was a 5-3 decision. The 5 in favor? All appointed by King Lincoln, including a former member of his cabinet. It was the true definition og a Kangaroo Court.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Other people from other states are responding because the OP asked for opinions on pros and cons of California seceding. Has that fact eluded you?
edit on 24-11-2016 by Arizonaguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:29 PM
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There are no pros and cons. California will be invaded, then absorbed back into the Union.

We're in this together, like or not.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Annee

Other people from other states are responding because the OP asked for opinions on pros and cons of California seceding. Has that fact eluded you?


I know. But, there is nothing in this particular post (below) that should warrant a rude and sarcastic "attack".


CA is not seceding - - any time soon.

However, CA does have many natural resources of its own.

And Desalination plants are on the menu.

Question is: could your own state be able to stand alone?


edit on 24-11-2016 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Masterjaden

Technically, the privledges and immunity clause of the 14th amendment prevents states from seceding. Due to that clause it is Unconstitutional to deprive citizens of the privledges and immunities of the USA. Seceding does just that to the citizens of that seceding state.


I fail to see how it deprives them of anything if they decide they so want to be deprived.



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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Give California to Mexico?



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Unless it passes unanimously there will be American citizens in California being deprived of their privledges and immunities.

Edit to add that I don't agree with the amendment, just pointing out what it says
edit on 24-11-2016 by Arizonaguy because: (no reason given)



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