Britain Has Passed the Most Extreme Surveillance Law Ever Passed in a Democracy'

originally posted by: AshFan

The UK has just passed a massive expansion in surveillance powers, which critics have called "terrifying" and "dangerous." The new law, dubbed the "snoopers' charter,"

This is just sad. What are they so afraid of? How did this get passed into law? WAKE UP YOU UKers!!

So?

What are you afraid of?

I seriously doubt they are that much interesting in what soft porn sites I visit. Or how often I browse on Amazon or check the weather radar.

a reply to: AshFan

Democracy? Errr...

The New Few, or A Very British Oligarchy

Mind the gap!

And who thinks France will expand the state of emergency? No, they still have something close to a democracy. Right? Not to drift anything, just saying all those business opportunities in this War with Terror are marvellous!
One would have to invent that # if it wouldn't already pep up this gigantic bubble economy hooked on QE dope. Wait...

a reply to: HeywoodFloyd

and it applies perfectly both to Great Britain and to the USA. and to all the western European countries which, as a matter of fact, are just colonies of the USA.

The UK isn't a colony of the USA and we're not living under a Totalitarian gov. We're attached to the US by our lips being on their colon and not quite a colony.

This is what happens when politicians with extreme views and policies achieve jobs as either elected or appointed positions, who then create, pass, sign legislation which usually has to be rammed through using shady methods, or covered up by misuse of the classification system similar to Obama style legislation that has been done to America. The NDAA is a good example. Snowden leaked that the NSA was illegally gathering/watching US citizens and is the reason that some of it was "toned down" but that is only publicly said, and likely is not true. Snowden is not a betrayer, nor was he ever guilty of espionage as the Obama administration likes to claim in order to hide their own illegal schemes against citizens.

This happening in the UK is just as bad as if it happened in America, and it needs to be crushed, and the people of the UK need to fight back against this kind of tyranny, otherwise it will lead down a dead end road that ends in destruction of liberty to the point of no return.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: AshFan

I knew a man who worked at GCHQ at a time when GCHQ staff were being murdered/suicided in sequence. He said everyone was scared because no-one knew what the common denominator was. Any one of them may have been working on the subject that was being suppressed, but because they all keep their work secret from each other they couldn't know if they would be next. Workplace stress. No wonder the local dealers get supplied with the cleanest and highest quality recreational substances to supply GCHQ staff with. "It practically comes with a 'Government Approved' stamp on it." I was told by someone who'd seen it delivered.

The general population don't need to worry about spies. They're just like us but with less honour.

Most people who work for GCHQ are no more spies than you are. More like insurance clerks ....

I have a few customers who work there. My Great Aunt worked there in WWII. None will ever feature in a spy novel!

originally posted by: Kandinsky
We're attached to the US by our lips being on their colon and not quite a colony.

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Thank you for your supportive sentiments friend. I work for the UK government in a security function and I, like many of my co-workers consider it our role to fight the corner for the ordinary people who work and pay taxes. A nanny state? Maybe, but a government surveillance state? Not on our watch you tricky politician b.......s. Us and our families and friends live here too, and you better remember that.

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
They want to prevent people uprising and taking control back, like they did with Brexit, ever again.

Thats what I thought as well.. that and it being almost impossible to enforce makes it the biggest psyop Ive seen in a bit. LOL! IMO the Brits are well capable of dealing with this.. and there are enough British patriots to keep things in check if they get too far out of control. I love seeing Britlash!

a reply to: grainofsand

Don't be dishonest.

My opinion differs from yours so I'm dishonest ?
I know why I voted , you don't.

a reply to: gortex

Yep, saying you voted for Blair is dishonest if he wasn't standing in your parliamentary constituency.
You voted for an MP, now tell me which bit of that is factually incorrect.

a reply to: grainofsand

I voted for Tony Blair the constituency MP was a proxy to achieve a Blair victory.
Which part of that don't you understand.

Britain has been the leader of post modern Orwellian states for a while now. I guess we can be expecting this in the US next, as these things are usually adopted here next.

originally posted by: Discotech


Snowden exposed the NSA for monitoring US citizens to the public, you don't think GCHQ is doing the same, considering the UK is supposedly has the best Intel agencies ?

Doesn't matter if the ISP's refuse to hand over the data, if it's stored digitally you can bet your life the intel agencies will have already seen it before officially requesting for it

Showden exposed both the UK and the US, it was a forged agreement anyway.

As for having seen it already, sure if they know all the ways into something, but if they don't, that'll be the hard bit, so much easier to control the ISPs, and it has to be said websites themselves, and that includes ATS who will have to hand over anything that is demanded by a court order or similar, as it is.
As for the law itself, it's a travesty of democracy, allowing yourself to be at the mercy of a bunch of spooks who themselves cannot be trusted.
Just remember Dr Goebbals/AKA Michael Hayden's choice words a while back,
(1) 'We kill people based on metadata"
(2) " We kill because we can".....you can take that last remark two ways, and both would be right!
Anybody here wanting to play the whole thing down, are so far up their own backside, they are in Narnia.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

Well. Will you bite the hand that feeds in case you'll realize that the tax-payers are pretty fed up with this crap? How do you think a referendum would've turned out? Right, precisely my point.



Your colleagues in fatigues from the PR management devision are already at it, I reckon? Give 'em a heads up, that's probably a tough job as well nowadays.

a reply to: smurfy

Anybody here wanting to play the whole thing down, are so far up their own backside, they are in Narnia.

The Lion, the Witch and the Anus?

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Misterlondon

originally posted by: AshFan
a reply to: smurfy

They have just created their very own panopticon. You are trapped on an island and everything you do it being recorded.

We have boats.. Although The two huge land masses either side of our island are not that appealing either. Especially the one to the west of Ireland..

What do you have against Newfoundland and Labrador?

They're both Doggy places!

a reply to: gortex

No, you voted for a constituency MP.
Your heart 'voted' for Blair, but your cast vote as counted was for your local MP.
Disagree?

*edit*
Stop with the dishonesty maybe?
Your legally cast vote was for the person standing as your prospective MP....you did NOT vote for the prime minister so bleating about May being unelected is lame...you and TrueBrit need to dry your lame eyes.

a reply to: Discotech

Throw in Quantum computing and it will be possible for a single AI to search billions of records all at once and will likely be able to break any encryption you may use to secure your communications

We already have Quantum cryptography (encryption) which is uncrackable by any means.

There are various aspects/processes which go into everyday encryption. Providing these are done correctly with a minimum 2048 bit key it cannot be cracked with today's technology (not even supercomputers). A 1024 bit key would take a supercomputer around 12 months to crack.

A simple solution to the OP is your own personal VPN on your own sever or VPS. The VPN connects with the internet. Everything to and from the VPN to your home device, including your ISP, is encrypted and unreadable.

Some go further than that by connecting the VPN to TOR which they say makes you virtually untraceable. I have never felt the need to do that. I am more focussed on stopping commercial organisations following me around the internet which I despise.

originally posted by: ThePeaceMaker

originally posted by: AshFan
a reply to: smurfy

They have just created their very own panopticon. You are trapped on an island and everything you do it being recorded.

Oh well we are doomed! So do we honestly think that every single person in the UK is now being monitored? No that's impossible. Yes your internet records may be kept by as for someone monitoring your internet use 24/7 is a bit far fetched.

It's like walking into a large supermarket and seeing hundreds of cctv cameras and assuming that every single camera is watching you when they arnt

TBH though, good luck checking my internet history all I go on it's ATS lol I don't use the internet to its full extent. GCHQ will get bored watching me

It is very possible to automate insight gathering from the information being collected. Key words, traffic information, data keying and attribution across sites and other data sources, neural network models aligned to genetic algorithms, and scorecards for every citizen. All achievable to give every citizen a real time score and historical trend on a number of characteristics, e.g. terror risk, job suitability, credit worthiness, etc.

a reply to: AshFan

Way toooo much snooping over here and I'm sure the populace could get together and take the PM to court over this Privacy invasion??

The only people who need watching closely are 'terrorists' 'suspected terrorists' 'Paedophiles' 'suspected paedophiles' and the Governments & Leaders of the World!

a reply to: grainofsand

Ok, I don't want to de-rail the thread but most of us at general election time will use our vote for our local MP to gain the keys to number 10 of our desired political party, whether you think that is right or not is irrelevant, I would not waste my vote in a general election voting for who I thought was the best local candidate if they didn't represent the party I wanted to see in power, as it becomes a wasted vote...just look at the Tories, Labour can't achieve what they want to due to council budget slashing at the national level, which is why local MP vote in GE is pointless useless they represent the party you wish to see in power.

To the OP please see above to understand why the current government doesn't represent all of us, we can vote against but it's no good when all the idiots are out in force on election day voting the Tories into power, even worse those who believe they should vote their local MP based on local pledges....because they won't happen!

Snoopers Charter has been on the books for years, I am not surprised by this, yet I am angry just today I got an email regards a debt I don't owe due to computer error via human, so I don't like this move one little bit, as like any government department they make mistakes.