**BREAKING** Donald Trump rushed from stage due to threat

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: UKTruth


I see.

Whatever, it is really quite obvious that Clinton once again paid an agitator to incite violence.

He didn't incite anything. The Trump supporters incited it by beating him, kicking him, holding him in a chokehold and deliberately yelling "GUN" knowing it was only a sign. All he did was uphold his Constitutionally-protected right to hold up a friggin sign. It's not his fault the Trump rally beat the living bejesus out of him for it.

Funny we aren't hearing" freedumb of speech" as usual from the trumpsters......

originally posted by: AlbanArthur

Funny we aren't hearing" freedumb of speech" as usual from the trumpsters......

It's only "freedom of speech" when the Trump supporters are doing it. Anyone else is apparently a "paid Hillary operative".

One might hope these people realise, in a few decades time, just how stupid and ridiculous they acted. I do not hold out much hope for that though.

a reply to: UKTruth

However, creating an anti-Trump narrative out of those facts is partisan. It is what it is.

Trump created a safe space for people to feel like they're justified in attacking a person - apparently for any reason

The facts support this. It's a partisan situation

The speculation on why it happened, that Hillary's campaigns sent the man there, is grounded in precedent and the agitators name turning up on a hacked list of an organisation well known for this type of political activism. My conclusion is that Hillary's campaign organised it.

So?

a reply to: Kryties

Thanks for the reply.

I think there will forever be disagreement as to what occurred. I'd say by trying to move to the front of the crowd, the man attracted a lot of attention and things escalated. He accomplished what he wanted by becoming the focus of the rally and taking the focus off of Trump. A lot of people are doing that, no matter who they are supporting.

I watched a Trump supporter be escorted out of a rally Obama held recently because the audience became rowdy over the man's sign and obvious support for Trump and O. couldn't calm the crowd down and "get them to focus."

I've noticed over time The Guardian and one of it's former employees are consistently anti-Trump. I've seen some really disparaging comments but that's another subject.

a reply to: Kryties

He didn't incite anything. The Trump supporters incited it by beating him, kicking him, holding him in a chokehold and deliberately yelling "GUN" knowing it was only a sign. All he did was uphold his Constitutionally-protected right to hold up a friggin sign. It's not his fault the Trump rally beat the living bejesus out of him for it.

Actually agitators like the man last night might be operating outside of their "Constitutionally protected right to hold up a friggin sign"

Techically it is illegal to protest inside a Trump Rally

In 2012, H.R. 347, a federal law dealing with protest, was amended to make it a crime to "disrupt the orderly conduct of government business or official functions" in areas where the Secret Service is providing protection. 

Based on the change to H.R. 347 in 2012, he may have grounds to press for trespassing charges against any protester who walked into the rally knowing it was a restricted area, according to the ACLU.

Apparently, protestors are allowed to operate in "Free Speech Zones" but not inside the rally's.

originally posted by: tweetie
a reply to: Kryties

I watched a Trump supporter be escorted out of a rally Obama held recently because the audience became rowdy over the man's sign and obvious support for Trump and O. couldn't calm the crowd down and "get them to focus."

They didn't beat him, kick him, hold him in a chokehold or try to paint him as an assassin by falsely yelling out "Gun" to get the Secret Service riled up. Therein lies the massive difference.

originally posted by: imwilliam

Actually agitators like the man last night might be operating outside of their "Constitutionally protected right to hold up a friggin sign"

Apparently, protestors are allowed to operate in "Free Speech Zones" but not inside the rally's.

I still see no reason why he had to be beaten, kicked, placed in a chokehold and painted out to be an assassin by some idiot deliberately yelling out "gun". Do you?

a reply to: imwilliam

Does that include all the trumpsters chanting "lock her up" at Clinton rallies too? Or just Trump rallies?

a reply to: Kryties

He looked remarkably unmarked for a man beaten and kicked.
It looked to me like he was being restrained.

He also had no right to violently force his way to the front of the crowd to protest.

Everything that happened was of his own making, which was likely his plan. Still his $1500 will help him get over it.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: UKTruth


I see. So dismiss eye witnesses if they don't see what you would like them to see.
Hmmm.

"Like them to see?" What are you on about? It was a SIGN. Not a gun. A piece of friggin cardboard with text written on it.

Facts are facts. A bloke went to a Trump rally with a sign and got mobbed by the crowd because of it - that crowd going even so far as to falsely claim there was a gun so that it amplified what they were doing and made the protestor out to be an assassin. How absolutely INSANE is that.

He was behaving exactly as the paid agitators we know about from the Clinton campaign.

The same Trump supporter "eyewitnesses" who beat the bejesus out of him and yelled "GUN" at a bloody sign are the same people "claiming" he pushed and shoved his way to the front. I call complete nonsense on that.

Or more precisely, a man with no right to protest in that area violently pushes his way to the front of the crowd and someone in the crowd sees him reach inside his jacket as he is pushing his way forward. The crowd shout 'he has a gun' and the crowd and secret service wrestle him to the ground and eject him into the street.

Simple really.

Well there has been at least one attempt to assassinate Trump. The media has incited this sort of violence.

Why is the man's name listed 6 times in the dumps ??

Sic'em boys

Buck

a reply to: Kryties

I still see no reason why he had to be beaten, kicked, placed in a chokehold and painted out to be an assassin by some idiot deliberately yelling out "gun". Do you?

I don't know what he did or if the person that shouted "gun" actually thought he saw one. There are plenty of examples of trained police officers thinking that they saw a gun when there wasn't one. If someone thought they saw a gun, then I don't see what happened to the man as being inappropriate. But we really don't know what the person who shouted "gun" saw or was thinking, do we?

As far as his statement after the fact to the Guardian, it's his statement. I don't automatically assume it paints a true picture of what transpired. Do you?

Given that some have been so dedicated to sticking to facts, here is some factual evidence.

I can not see any flailing arms or legs kicking and beating the man on the ground.
We have him saying he was beaten, though no marks at all on him and we have eye witnesses saying he was violent.

I wonder why there are those who believe the man, with no marks on him, but disbelieve the eye witness statements?

a reply to: UKTruth

Or more precisely, a man with no right to protest in that area violently pushes his way to the front of the crowd and someone in the crowd sees him reach inside his jacket as he is pushing his way forward. The crowd shout 'he has a gun' and the crowd and secret service wrestle him to the ground and eject him into the street.

Funny you use the word precisely

:-)

Do you know what it means?

a reply to: AlbanArthur

Does that include all the trumpsters chanting "lock her up" at Clinton rallies too? Or just Trump rallies?

I'm not a lawyer, but I would imagine if they're inside the rallies rather than inside the designated "Free Speech Zones" then yes.

Do you think it doesn't?

Thing is he is one bloke who cares. Using one bloke to paint every supporter of the other side is dumb. Otherwise I would post video showing a Trump supporter saying black people are better off in slavery....It is just a few who are as dumb as a bag of hammers. Why waste of time on any of them?.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: UKTruth

Or more precisely, a man with no right to protest in that area violently pushes his way to the front of the crowd and someone in the crowd sees him reach inside his jacket as he is pushing his way forward. The crowd shout 'he has a gun' and the crowd and secret service wrestle him to the ground and eject him into the street.

Funny you use the word precisely

:-)

Do you know what it means?

Yes and in this case it prefaces some precise information (although the word 'more' in the sentence is important also), namely:
He had no right to protest there.
He was violent.
Someone in the crowd shouted he had a gun after seeing him reach for something (not as a result of seeing a sign as is being dishonestly discussed as fact when it is not).
The crowd and then the police wrestled the man to the ground and restrained him.
The man was ejected and let go.

Hope that helps you out.

a reply to: UKTruth

So illegal to protest at trump rallies but not obamas? hhhhmm.

a reply to: sandman441

trump supporters at clinton rallies and yell "bill is a rapist" for money and not get beaten and then have people screaming gun to justify their violence, so this kind of crap wouldn't have happened at one of her rallies anyways.

I don't care if his name was found on some list on wikileaks, he was holding a danged sign, that is all. every presidential candidate before trump has had people in thier rallies holding up signs saying things that they really didn't like...
and weren't beating for it.



this is how protestors should be dealt with when they appear in a rally and disrupts things...

he sounds like a school teacher taking back control of his grade school classroom, doesn't he? he assets the protestor's right to free speech, and then goes on to say that he serve this country in the military and deserves respect because of that, and then goes on to point out that he's an elderly man and we should respect our elders.
and all his supporters was doing was shouting down the protestors, no one, not even when he was led out of the crowd, really laid a hand on him in a threatening manner.

trump just isn't a good grade school teacher, something like this happens in his rallies, he's offering to pay the legal fees for any supporters beat the crap out of him, encourages them to pound on them. well, some guy held up a sign in one of his rallies, and his supporters just took his cue, and began assaulting him, and some thought it was a great idea to should gun and make it look like an assassination attempt.
his supporters not only disrupted their rally, they put the secret service on overdrive thinking that someone was trying to assassinate a presidential candidate. they guy had just politely worked his was up to the front and held up a sign, wasn't shouting, or disrupting anything.