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originally posted by: makemap
Do you do good deeds to get to god?
Do you do any ceremonies to meet god?
Do you go to so called church or temple everyday to see god?
Do you wear specific clothing everyday for god to see you?
Do you bathe newborns in water or river to meet god?
Do you protect certain animals(possibly all lifeforms) to see god?
Do you pray or meditate to god?
Do you pray to a statue or object figure(demi-gods??) to see god?
Do you recruit others to join for god?
Do you sacrifice animals or humans to god?
Do you invade others land to get them to god?
Do you force people to read the bible/quran/torah or some sort of book so they can see god?
Do you predict the future and get people to follow you to god?
Do you build giant boats in case of a flood to see god?
Do you collect objects such as gold for god?
Do you die to get to god(possible with good deeds as oppose to doing nothing, nothing bad)?
Do you kill other people that do bad deeds/evil to get to god?
Do you kill people in the name of god to see god?
Do we wait for a so called Messiah or Savior to meet god?
or do you spread knowledge to other people of god for them to see god?
Did I miss anything? I didn't target Christians only.
So how do you really get to god?
originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: makemap
There is another 3 letter chemical that will also help you understand God, for a good half a day too. Unfortunately I cannot elaborate.
Doing good stuff should not be conditional on meeting God though. It should just be something you do for the human race. Praying to statues wont accomplish anything more than giving ones self peace of mind if they have faith.
In any case, nobody alive can tell you the absolute truth, or can honestly claim to know it. You have to search within to make the connection, and that 3 letter chemical will help you understand real good
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: makemap
The truth is that there is only one way for any human being to get to heaven and that is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Every human being is, by nature, a sinful being. The Bible says that our efforts at doing “good deeds” are not acceptable in the sight of God (Ephesians 2:8-9). God alone is holy. God alone is good. So, God has made a way for sinful human beings to enter into His heaven.
God sacrificed Himself,
through the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that our sins could be forgiven through the blood of Jesus Christ. During His time on earth, Jesus led a perfect, sinless life.
Jesus Christ died on a cross. He was buried in a tomb for three days and, on the third day, He was raised from the dead. After forty days, He returned to heaven, where He currently reigns. He will return to earth a second time to claim those who have confessed their belief in Him.
Jesus said, “I am the truth, the way, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me” (John 14:6) and “For unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins” (John 8:24). The Apostle Peter echoed these words when he said, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12, KJV).
St. Paul concurred, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus …” (1 Timothy 2:5, KJV). In fact, it is the united testimony of the New Testament that no one can know God the Father except through the person of Jesus Christ.
We have all sinned and deserve God's judgment. God, the Father, sent His only Son to satisfy that judgment for those who believe in Him. Jesus, the creator and eternal Son of God, who lived a sinless life, loves us so much that He died for our sins, taking the punishment that we deserve, was buried, and rose from the dead. If you truly believe and trust this in your heart, receiving Jesus alone as your Savior, declaring, "Jesus is Lord," you will be saved from judgment and spend eternity with God in heaven.
originally posted by: worldstarcountry
bro, your not "an athiest".
You just finally learned so much about real human history that you stopped passing through a series of gate keepers and paying their tolls. Stopped taking ancient stories written by mortal men who hoped in vain to immortalize themselves at 100% face value. Thats not to say some of the historical context isnt true. But most of the truth has degraded through the ages.
Your ready for a different journey, one that will open your mind to a perception of the universe itself outside of the limitations of mortal flesh and its limited sensory capacities.
It is a different interpretation of God, one that is not bound to a linear personified concept. It may even be known to you already by different names or words.
Prayer and meditation still has power btw. It isn't just to get brownie points to heaven. That # is real.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Raggedyman
I grew up going to a church that my parents helped found. When I was a wee lad I accepted the Lord Christ into my heart. My beliefs at the time and growing up are pretty much reflected in infolurker's post above. Time went by, and I got older. By this time I had become what they call lukewarm. I went to church sometimes, prayed sometimes.. you know. Just did it casually. The point came where I turned a critical eye on my beliefs. Eventually I realized that multiple aspects and claims of Christianity didn't add up and simply couldn't be true or factual. The only way to accept the narrative was through faith. Because faith doesn't require evidence.
Perhaps I was wrong though? In my mind at the time, Hell was a scary place of everlasting torment (this I do not believe today - I agree with you on what scripture actually says about it being the destruction of the soul) and I didn't want to go there. Questioning my faith was one thing, but casting it aside was another.
Hence why I began to pray again, in earnest.
"Forgive me for smoking weed! Forgive me for taking your name in vain! Forgive me for neglecting church, and prayer! Forgive me for questioning my faith in the first place!"
I even went so far as...
"Forgive me for having Freemason grandfathers!"
"Forgive me for ever attempting astral projection!"
Silly, I know. But I was trying to cover all my bases.
"Lord reveal yourself to me, again!"
After weeks of this... Nothing. Silence.
Just me, in retrospect, acting like a fool.
Maybe God's plan for me was the wider path, I thought.
I didn't reject him then and there. I just went back to being lukewarm, and keeping a critical eye on my beliefs or increasing lack thereof. Then a day came where I realized I had to be honest with myself. I didn't believe any of it. To pretend I did would be a disservice to myself. It'd even be a disservice to the God I no longer believed existed, if I was to pretend I did. My soul be damned if I was wrong. In that moment, I realized I was an atheist.
So I embraced that. Now? As more and more time passes, my atheism only gets stronger and stronger. Christianity, and indeed all religions, look a hell of a lot different from the outside looking in.
Personally, I have my answer as to why crickets from the big guy.
Your reply actually caught me by surprise Raggedyman. I feel you spent a bit more time on that post to me than you have others. You did that already knowing my opinions on this subject, and that it probably wouldn't mean much to me. Well if that's what you thought, you're right. It's nothing I haven't heard a million times. But I actually do appreciate the thought behind it. Which I perceived as you being genuine. And not the stubborn trollish person I so often consider you to be.
So thanks, for what its worth.
ETA: Feeling unforgivable either from God or myself had absolutely zero to do with my path to atheism. No hate or anger at God, etc. In case you are wondering if that was the case.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If Noah or Abraham had not acted Noah would not have saved himself or his family, and Abraham would not have gone to Canaan and got the promise for his seed Israel to get that land.
Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
through our faith we are saved through our Faith alone. Sarah through faith was able to conceive a miracle for no 90 year old woman could logically conceive a child.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Hebrews 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.