Anonymous goes "full 9/11 Truther"

a reply to: Phage

oh so you know for a fact that the tapes the FBI found don't show that?

how do you know that?

in b4 "the fbi said so"

a reply to: facedye
Ok. You win.
The FBI is hiding a video which shows a plane hitting the Pentagon.

a reply to: jrod

Provide a good explanation for the accounting on those trillions....otherwise you are just another internet know it all.....

Just as Rumsfeld said.
There were many old computer/software systems in use.
They couldn't talk to each other.
So base procurement didn't match up with Washington DOD disbursements.
General Dynamics needed the next tranche of money to continue the new sub but Washington didn't have a distinct category to list it in. So it was under Navy construction.

This 2.3 trillion was for the DOD only.
2.3 trillion amounted to the previous 8 plus years of the total DOD budget.
Do you really believe the DOD handed out IOU's to the troops and A/C carrier builders for over 8 years ?
Do you really believe some group could steal 2.3 trillion and no one would raise a red flag ?
Just what bank would allow deposits greater than most governments spend ?
Just what bank could pay interest on 2.3 trillion ? $46 million at 2%.

a reply to: Phage

you know what i'm really asking you.

you also know that those tapes still remain classified.

you know that we still cannot see what they contain.

you know that the FBI's assurance is all we have in lieu of the footage they have, which they chose to keep classified.

you're also extremely sure that "they are what the FBI says they are."

let's reconvene when they all get declassified, yeah?

a reply to: facedye

how do you know that? in b4 "the fbi said so"

So you trust :
Richard Gage
Judy Brown
Steven Jones
Jessie Ventura
Ed Asner
Charlie Sheen
Rosie ODonnell
Willie Nelson
Over the FBI ???

a reply to: samkent

nope.

a reply to: neutronflux

And conspiracists never lie to push book sales? Or created a sensationalized YouTube video just for likes. What is the recourse and fallout for providing false narratives on YouTube? Nothing.

What about ATS Conspiracies theorist, are we all lairs to?

Do you believe all ATS conspiracies theorist push lies to sell books to?

a reply to: Informer1958

just the ones that make the most sense.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: neutronflux

And conspiracists never lie to push book sales? Or created a sensationalized YouTube video just for likes. What is the recourse and fallout for providing false narratives on YouTube? Nothing.

What about ATS Conspiracies theorist, are we all lairs to?

Do you believe all ATS conspiracies theorist push lies to sell books to?

Ever good cult is supported by a base of the devoted who operate on faith and provide resources to those who articulate a desired vision.

This is the context.

One, people who do not believe in WTC controlled demolition are government agents? Cannot question the official narrative? Lots of very educated and intelligent scientists do not believe in the NIST reports and majority of them believe in collapse of WTC due to fire. Maybe if the movement would work with them instead of accusing them of criminal collaboration, it might learn something.

Two, the old argument. What is the truth? Demolitions? Thermite? Nukes? Lasers and holograms? Drone jets? Missiles and holograms? Dustification? No plane at the Pentagon with no parts? No plane at the Pentagon with planted parts? You do not reach the truth sticking to a path of falsehoods.

Three, treating YouTube videos as gospel with out any vetting.

Four, the double standard. 911 movement screaming about ever inconsistency from NIST, NFPA, eyewitnesses accounts, NYPD, FBI, Pentagon, and any other government, professional group, or college is a conspiracy. Yet, the 911 movement is silent on its own short comings.

The world will listen when the 911 movement polices itself, its charlatans, and it's short comings with the some exuberance and vengeance it holds for the people that question the movement. Until then, the major view of the 911 movement is a group willing to grab onto any idea for the sake of attention.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Until then, the major view of the 911 movement is a group willing to grab onto any idea for the sake of attention. and money

Fixed it for you!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: neutronflux
Until then, the major view of the 911 movement is a group willing to grab onto any idea for the sake of attention. and money

Fixed it for you!

a reply to: neutronflux

What about ATS Conspiracies theorist, are we all lairs to?

Do you believe all ATS conspiracies theorist push lies to sell books to?

Ever good cult is supported by a base of the devoted who operate on faith and provide resources to those who articulate a desired vision.

Thanks for saying all ATS members who do not support the official narratives of 911 are looking for a new religion based on their own desires.

One, people who do not believe in WTC controlled demolition are government agents?

Who has made that claim?

Lots of very educated and intelligent scientists do not believe in the NIST reports and majority of them believe in collapse of WTC due to fire.

I disagree, it is not the majority, and that is your "opinion".

Maybe if the movement would work with them instead of accusing them of criminal collaboration, it might learn something.

So you are saying that people that are trying to find the truth to what happened to the WTC need to work with NIST and mostly the government agencies that believe office fires brought down the WTC, and disregard all other evidence?

Two, the old argument. What is the truth? Demolitions? Thermite? Nukes? Lasers and holograms? Drone jets? Missiles and holograms? Dustification? No plane at the Pentagon with no parts? No plane at the Pentagon with planted parts? You do not reach the truth sticking to a path of falsehoods.

I do believe Nukes, Lasers, and holograms, Drones, and Dustification have all been debunked many years ago, or are you still new to all this?

I agree there are some falsehoods, however the fact is, not everything that is against the official narratives of 911 are falsehoods.

Three, treating YouTube videos as gospel with out any vetting.

Are you suggesting that all ATS members looking for truth about 911 believe all YouTube videos are gospel and never question the content?

Four, the double standard. 911 movement screaming about ever inconsistency from NIST, NFPA, eyewitnesses accounts, NYPD, FBI, Pentagon, and any other government, professional group, or college is a conspiracy.

Screaming? and "everything" is a conspiracy? That is your "opinion and not a fact.

Members on ATS looking for truth about 911 and you claim they are all screaming everything is a conspiracies, is a broad wide brush of exaggerating you paint against all members who do not believe in the official narratives, don't you agree?

Yet, the 911 movement is silent on its own short comings.

Some are, however not everyone is.

The world will listen when the 911 movement polices itself, its charlatans, and it's short comings with the some exuberance and vengeance it holds for the people that question the movement.

No one is questioning what you call the 911 movement, the very fact is, the truth about 911 is not about what you think about people who question the official narratives. Real 911 researchers do not hold any exuberance, and vengeance towards anyone that asks question, except those that ridicule, insult, and attack us personally, because these people demonstrate they don't believe in conspiracy theories.

Until then, the major view of the 911 movement is a group willing to grab onto any idea for the sake of attention.

That is completely untrue and very insulting I might add.

I am done here, there is noting more to discuss on this thread topic, specially when certain members demonstrate aggressive vengeance towards anyone who dares question the official narratives of 911.

a reply to: Informer1958

Then do please elaborate on your comments on how happy the port authority was with the outcome of 911 and how it's not just your opinion?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: neutronflux

And conspiracists never lie to push book sales? Or created a sensationalized YouTube video just for likes. What is the recourse and fallout for providing false narratives on YouTube? Nothing.

What about ATS Conspiracies theorist, are we all lairs to?

Do you believe all ATS conspiracies theorist push lies to sell books to?

Ever good cult is supported by a base of the devoted who operate on faith and provide resources to those who articulate a desired vision.

This is the context.

One, people who do not believe in WTC controlled demolition are government agents? Cannot question the official narrative? Lots of very educated and intelligent scientists do not believe in the NIST reports and majority of them believe in collapse of WTC due to fire. Maybe if the movement would work with them instead of accusing them of criminal collaboration, it might learn something.

Two, the old argument. What is the truth? Demolitions? Thermite? Nukes? Lasers and holograms? Drone jets? Missiles and holograms? Dustification? No plane at the Pentagon with no parts? No plane at the Pentagon with planted parts? You do not reach the truth sticking to a path of falsehoods.

Three, treating YouTube videos as gospel with out any vetting.

Four, the double standard. 911 movement screaming about ever inconsistency from NIST, NFPA, eyewitnesses accounts, NYPD, FBI, Pentagon, and any other government, professional group, or college is a conspiracy. Yet, the 911 movement is silent on its own short comings.

The world will listen when the 911 movement polices itself, its charlatans, and it's short comings with the some exuberance and vengeance it holds for the people that question the movement. Until then, the major view of the 911 movement is a group willing to grab onto any idea for the sake of attention.

none of what was stated in this thread by people you disagreed with is based on faith. none of what I nor informer are claiming is based on faith.

the common mistakes you and those who perceive this situation in a similar fashion make usually boil down to about 3 things:

1. you think everyone who doesn't believe the official narrative automatically agrees with the most prominent 9/11 truth figureheads.

2. you think we substantiate our claims with youtube.

3. if a physicist or engineer comes along to support something other than the official story, you must look for any and every reason to assassinate their character.

seriously you just called it a cult and stated we validate our perceptions through youtube videos.

what a ridiculous thing to say.

a reply to: facedye

Then you believe in dustification of the WTC towers? Or Dr Wood's debunking of controlled demolition and the debunking the used of thermite are valid?

Which is it for the Pentagon? No crash parts or planted crash parts?

Conspiracists are still trying to pass the same tired and debunked pictures of WTC columns cut by cutting torches and work crews as evidence of thermite. I don't recount conspiracists denouncing or calling out the pictures as being taken out of context to say it gently. it's sad how they hurt the movement.

If Steve Jones thermite evidence is so strong, why not use a paint primer control sample? Why can the results not be duplicated by others? Why use a pay to play peer review service and bypass the editor? How did Jones get his WTC samples? By mail with no proof of no tampering or proper preservation? Has Jones ever tested his WTC dust samples in an oxygen free atmosphere?

a reply to: facedye

Don't think me skeptic. Think of me as an honest auditor conveying the short comings of the movement.

By the why, you never did answer who and why attack the Pentagon?

a reply to: neutronflux

you're not being an honest auditor if you're calling an entire community concerned with finding out the truth a bunch of cult followers who substantiate their claims with youtube videos.

you're being biased and close minded by doing that.

think about what you're doing when you say that. the people you refer to as the 9/11 truth movement contain those who have lost family members and close friends on that day. I almost lost my mother.

are all of those people part of a cult? do they substantiate their claims with youtube videos when their claims come from them being RIGHT THERE? did you ever stop and think for a second that those of us who actually survived in NYC have a different perspective from you because we were HERE and are thus better equipped to identify MSM misinformation?

don't you have lude and ridiculous people that would agree with your points of view as well? does that make you one of them?

this is pure and nonsensical character assassination. you're not being an "honest auditor." making that claim while looking at your previous post is laughable.

WITH REGARDS TO THE PENTAGON:

I'm not concerned with "who" and "why" yet. since nobody can agree on "what" happened 15 years later, that's an excellent place to start. you're jumping the gun, and thus neglecting all of the puzzle pieces that don't fit which are right in front of you.

a reply to: facedye

Another rant with no response to direct questions and specific short comings. Oh. Surprise.

a reply to: neutronflux

I answered your question DIRECTLY.

misrepresenting my statement to you? surprise, surprise.

why are you holding me accountable for the words of Richard Gage or Judy Wood? am I promoting their assertions?

a reply to: facedye

You didn't answer any thing. Who makes money and a living off 911 conspiracists? Who has a following to lead then to "truth".


I am glad you made it through 911. I am also glad for the first responders at 911. I am also thankful for the law enforcement that worked the debris of the WTC recovering remains. Up to 19,000 remains recovered with no evidence of controlled demolition.

Another conspiracists misconception. The misguided idea the WTC steel and debris were not thoroughly searched for evidence. Why does the movement rely on not conveying the whole truth?