Originally posted by Seapeople
God appeared to moses face to face as it says. If you read the beginning oif the chapter and see the pillar of clouds...that in itself is not an
explanation and you are a fool for trying to construe it that way. It in itself is a contradiction.
So are you saying that God is a pillar of cloud? If this is so, then that wasn't God who wrestled with Jacob. Because it says Jacob wrestled with
a man, not a pillar of clouds. So please explain that one to me. That is a good argument, please pay attention to the statement," Thus the Lord
to speak to Moses. What did the Lord USE
, a pillar of cloud. Thus the Lord USED
To speak to Moses face to face, AS
a man speaks to his friends.
All through the old testament God's prescence, remember God is omnipresent, appeared in the tabernacle as a cloud. The cloud was a representation
of God's glory. Because as I said God is omnipresent, so this means he is evcerywhere at all times. So his prescence is everywhere, but he used the
cloud as a special representative to the children of Israel.
In Ezekiel 9:1-11:25 God's Glory(cloud) left the temple mount completely, known as the shekinah Glory. You can look that up in the bible and
the Jewish Talmud. It spoke about God's Glory coming to the temple again. Well that happened through the Messiah. Jesus was the Glory /Word of God
incarnate. So we can't put God in a box, he's omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. God is a spirit he doesn't have a literal face as we have.
When he speaks of his face he means his immediate prescence. God also doesn't have literal hands, when he speaks of his hands, he's speaks to his
might or power.
God is above our finite thinking, he is infinite, so he has to relate himself to us in a way that we will understand. We use our hands to perform
task, God uses his spiritual might to perform task, so he say's his hand so we can understand. When someone is in our face they are in our
immediate prescence. So when God say's his face he's talking about his immediate prescence.
God is so holy and righteouss, he like a fire, that when anything impure comes in contact with him it is burned down to it's purest form. That's
why we have Jesus as a mediator between God and us. We are so impure that we can't stand before God, because he is an all consuming fire. Therefore
we would die in his face. Heb 12:29
Speaking of fire, another example is God appearing to Moses in the form of a fire in the bush. Is this God or not?