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A Solid Response To Hillary's Claim of Trump Supporters Being Racist

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posted on Aug, 26 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: JaMeDoIt Racism is on both sides. cheers




posted on Aug, 26 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

Yes because your kind have whipped black people in to a racist paranoia they wont come out of for a hundred years...If we're lucky.



posted on Aug, 26 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

IMO, both candidates are not worthy of becoming leader of an industrialized nation, which speaks volumes about the corrupt dysfunctional US electoral process. I personally do not have a dog in this fight, but I felt compelled to share an article I came across a few days ago after reading the OP.

"Why poor whites flock to Donald Trump"

theweek.com...

The article brings up some interesting angles that might have, or might not have, been weighed by those on either side of the debate.


It is of course beyond question that a big part — probably the large majority — of Trump's success is built on racism, anti-immigrant paranoia, and xenophobia. But in their haste to rule out economic factors, liberals are whistling past some important data, and failing to explain other aspects of Trump — namely, his violence and authoritarianism.



Trump is winning people without a college degree (disproportionately low-class) by 10 percentage points, according to a recent Bloomberg poll — whereas in 2012, President Obama won that same group by 4 points.



It rather stretches credulity to assert that Clinton is getting slaughtered among whites without a college degree entirely because of racism when only four years ago the actual black candidate did 10 points better among the same group. (Incidentally, in 2012 non-college educated whites made up over one-third of Obama's votes.)


Or perhaps Trump's only purpose or role in this whole election is to destroy the GOP and escort Hillary into the WH? One thing I do know is: no matter who wins the election; America and the rest of the world is screwed.





The article you point to immediately shows that you are biased as much if not more than the mainstream media. From the first part of the article "Trumpists are disgruntled white racists, end of story." How utterly false. How ignorant to even suggest that. To suggest that because we support LEGAL immigration, ending Isis, ending Pay to Play politics, because we want to bring JOBS back into the USA, instead of exporting our jobs while we as workers suffer, in your twisted view that makes us somehow racist? Because we want to stop the ILLEGAL flow of drugs, because we SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT, (that means enforcing our laws) we are somehow racist. How ignorant you are. You and the rest of the Liberals bring it down to the gutter of racism, because you have no better argument. Just like Hillary. She has no solutions, except to try and divide people along the lines of race. Shame on her. She has shown just how much she cares about people of color. Just ask the people of Haiti. Huge donors to her "Foundation" won out over the poor people of Haiti. Just like the poor people of the USA lose out every time because of her and her coziness to Special Interests who want nothing more than to divide us along the lines of race. That's their whole game. George Soros is responsible for BLM, a violent group. That's what makes the Liberals happy. The only time black lives matter to them is at election time. It has been proven time and time again. Look at the inner cities. Look at the murder rate in Chicago which has skyrocketed since Obama took Office. What a load of B.S. to suggest that Trump supporters are racist. I am calling you out.



posted on Aug, 26 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe


I do think it is a bit ironic how Republicans like to use the few Black supporters they have as their tokens to try to prove they aren't racist.

What I think is ironic is how Liberals will use the very few Republican racists they can dig up to try and paint every Republican as being racist.


I haven't seen anyone try to paint every Republican as a racists.

I have seen people point out that racists groups (KKK, White Supremacist, etc), support and endorse Republican policies. I have also seen people point out people saying racist things at Republican rallies or holding signs with racist messages on them. I have seen people point out that a lot of Trump's statements are racist and his past behavior (which concluded in lawsuits) were racists.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked by that, it's not our fault that the party you have chosen to endorse caters to racists people and groups. That's not our fault, that is just a fact that you have to deal with.


The real racist is Hillary, who thinks that blacks should be brought "to heel". And yes I do feel it was inappropriate for Hillary to devote her entire speech to falsities, trying to deflect attention from the issues we face and the questions she needs to answer to the American people and a Special Prosecutor. She spent the whole speech calling Trump supporters racists, which is offensive to our very core. We don't cater to racists or anyone else. Her whole gameplan is to try and divide people along the lines of race. It's pretty clear.


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posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 02:23 AM
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Why should racism take all of the credit? What about hillaryists? People against Hillary? We should call it hillaryism. Trump supporters are hillaryists!



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Here's the real truth about the "Trump supporters are racist" theme projected by the HRC campaign.

Its a deflection. And its a deflection from a more basic truth, i.e., the Trump supporters are really all about the crappy state of the US economy and the loss of jobs due to the Free Trade treaties the US has signed, including NAFTA, which I believe was negotiated by the first Bush POTUS, and implemented by Clinton, (Bill).

Problem is that HRC has been around long enough to know that, practically speaking, there's no solution to Trump supporters economic problems. There's no plan on the part of TPTB to undo or renegotiate NAFTA. In fact, the TPP is baked into "the plan" as are other global free trade initiatives. To avoid having to address this continued hollowing out of the US job base, HRC deflects from discussion of these problems by pulling out the race card.



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 05:17 AM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

I was debating whether to respond or ignore your comment. My ego calls to me and boredom tempts me. So, here it goes...



The article you point to immediately shows that you are biased as much if not more than the mainstream media.


Biased towards what or whom...?

I chose to star and flag your thread before typing out my first comment because I agreed with the OP...

I chose to share the link I did because it too reflects the sentiment of the OP...

What's the problem...?



From the first part of the article "Trumpists are disgruntled white racists, end of story." How utterly false. How ignorant to even suggest that


You obviously did not read the article in full at all. If you had read the article in full, and within it proper context, you would of realized it was reflecting, or touching on, what you were alluding to in your OP. Ironic huh...?

Did you even read what I originally quoted from the article in my post? You know, the parts edited out in your above quote from my original response...?

Again:


Trump is winning people without a college degree (disproportionately low-class) by 10 percentage points, according to a recent Bloomberg poll — whereas in 2012, President Obama won that same group by 4 points.



It rather stretches credulity to assert that Clinton is getting slaughtered among whites without a college degree entirely because of racism when only four years ago the actual black candidate did 10 points better among the same group. (Incidentally, in 2012 non-college educated whites made up over one-third of Obama's votes.)


Do you understand what I highlighted in bold implies...? It suggest the exact opposite of "Trumpists are disgruntled white racists, end of story." The article was suggesting that despite there being many people who are racist that support Trump; there are many who are not; and it would be unfair to label anybody who supports Trump as automatic racist.

I'm going to quote the rest of your post for the sake of denying ignorance. Your entire response (thought process) to me arose from your inability to discern information presented to you within its proper context.



To suggest that because we support LEGAL immigration, ending Isis, ending Pay to Play politics, because we want to bring JOBS back into the USA, instead of exporting our jobs while we as workers suffer, in your twisted view that makes us somehow racist?


Re-read my second and third sentences of this very comment for the answer to your question.



Because we want to stop the ILLEGAL flow of drugs, because we SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT, (that means enforcing our laws) we are somehow racist


Re-read my second and third sentences of this very comment for the answer to your question.



Just like Hillary. She has no solutions, except to try and divide people along the lines of race. Shame on her. She has shown just how much she cares about people of color. Just ask the people of Haiti. Huge donors to her "Foundation" won out over the poor people of Haiti. Just like the poor people of the USA lose out every time because of her and her coziness to Special Interests who want nothing more than to divide us along the lines of race


I agree, she is as evil, corrupt and psychopathic as they come. That is the only correct points you have stated to me so far. You are not *completely* ignorant.



That's their whole game. George Soros is responsible for BLM, a violent group. That's what makes the Liberals happy. The only time black lives matter to them is at election time. It has been proven time and time again. Look at the inner cities. Look at the murder rate in Chicago which has skyrocketed since Obama took Office


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What a load of B.S. to suggest that Trump supporters are racist. I am calling you out.


Well, not all are racist. Some are just ignorant bigots. Your words (thought process) above clearly demonstrated that. I am calling you out...



How ignorant you are. You and the rest of the Liberals bring it down to the gutter of racism, because you have no better argument.


I resent the Liberal comment more than being called ignorant. Firstly, I have never voted in my life, do not plan to ever vote, and do not allow myself to participate in the theatrics of politics. Here is my post from a month ago to help clarify:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Secondly, I believe both Clinton and Trump supporters share the same values and mindset. After all, only the ignorant can become so enthralled with the sham of politics, especially American politics.

Lastly, as I stated in my original post: I personally do not have a dog in this fight despite having investments and business dealings in the States. I Am Canadian.

Again: one thing I do know is no matter who wins the election, America and the rest of the world is screwed.














edit on 27-8-2016 by Involutionist because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Here's the real truth about the "Trump supporters are racist" theme projected by the HRC campaign.

Its a deflection. And its a deflection from a more basic truth, i.e., the Trump supporters are really all about the crappy state of the US economy and the loss of jobs due to the Free Trade treaties the US has signed, including NAFTA, which I believe was negotiated by the first Bush POTUS, and implemented by Clinton, (Bill).

Problem is that HRC has been around long enough to know that, practically speaking, there's no solution to Trump supporters economic problems. There's no plan on the part of TPTB to undo or renegotiate NAFTA. In fact, the TPP is baked into "the plan" as are other global free trade initiatives. To avoid having to address this continued hollowing out of the US job base, HRC deflects from discussion of these problems by pulling out the race card.


You mentioned the TPP it is very scary when you see the extent it takes things. It includes thr ability to make laws set by a tribunal. They would litterally have the power to set up requirements from its participants. What got me to read it was Jill Stein and her endless warnings. It is a very dangerous road that Hillary wants to go down. But this issue has largely been ignored by the media.



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko




So basically, because there is a minority group, you are the one here calling it tokenism. Do you also sit around watching the NBA and refer to the white guy on the team as the "token?"


I only call it tokenism when it is used as tokenism...like making a video of all black Republican supporters to show how much black support they have.

The Republicans do it often...with blacks, hispanics, and women. The parade any supporter that falls into this group around like they are a trophy, instead of treating them equally like any other supporter.



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Here's the real truth about the "Trump supporters are racist" theme projected by the HRC campaign.

Its a deflection. And its a deflection from a more basic truth, i.e., the Trump supporters are really all about the crappy state of the US economy and the loss of jobs due to the Free Trade treaties the US has signed, including NAFTA, which I believe was negotiated by the first Bush POTUS, and implemented by Clinton, (Bill).

Problem is that HRC has been around long enough to know that, practically speaking, there's no solution to Trump supporters economic problems. There's no plan on the part of TPTB to undo or renegotiate NAFTA. In fact, the TPP is baked into "the plan" as are other global free trade initiatives. To avoid having to address this continued hollowing out of the US job base, HRC deflects from discussion of these problems by pulling out the race card.


You mentioned the TPP it is very scary when you see the extent it takes things. It includes thr ability to make laws set by a tribunal. They would litterally have the power to set up requirements from its participants. What got me to read it was Jill Stein and her endless warnings. It is a very dangerous road that Hillary wants to go down. But this issue has largely been ignored by the media.


The media has to ignore it being all in for HRC, because shes fip floped on the issue to hide her support for TPP.



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

I was debating whether to respond or ignore your comment. My ego calls to me and boredom tempts me. So, here it goes...



The article you point to immediately shows that you are biased as much if not more than the mainstream media.


Biased towards what or whom...?

I chose to star and flag your thread before typing out my first comment because I agreed with the OP...

I chose to share the link I did because it too reflects the sentiment of the OP...

What's the problem...?



From the first part of the article "Trumpists are disgruntled white racists, end of story." How utterly false. How ignorant to even suggest that


You obviously did not read the article in full at all. If you had read the article in full, and within it proper context, you would of realized it was reflecting, or touching on, what you were alluding to in your OP. Ironic huh...?

Did you even read what I originally quoted from the article in my post? You know, the parts edited out in your above quote from my original response...?

Again:


Trump is winning people without a college degree (disproportionately low-class) by 10 percentage points, according to a recent Bloomberg poll — whereas in 2012, President Obama won that same group by 4 points.



It rather stretches credulity to assert that Clinton is getting slaughtered among whites without a college degree entirely because of racism when only four years ago the actual black candidate did 10 points better among the same group. (Incidentally, in 2012 non-college educated whites made up over one-third of Obama's votes.)


Do you understand what I highlighted in bold implies...? It suggest the exact opposite of "Trumpists are disgruntled white racists, end of story." The article was suggesting that despite there being many people who are racist that support Trump; there are many who are not; and it would be unfair to label anybody who supports Trump as automatic racist.

I'm going to quote the rest of your post for the sake of denying ignorance. Your entire response (thought process) to me arose from your inability to discern information presented to you within its proper context.



To suggest that because we support LEGAL immigration, ending Isis, ending Pay to Play politics, because we want to bring JOBS back into the USA, instead of exporting our jobs while we as workers suffer, in your twisted view that makes us somehow racist?


Re-read my second and third sentences of this very comment for the answer to your question.



Because we want to stop the ILLEGAL flow of drugs, because we SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT, (that means enforcing our laws) we are somehow racist


Re-read my second and third sentences of this very comment for the answer to your question.



Just like Hillary. She has no solutions, except to try and divide people along the lines of race. Shame on her. She has shown just how much she cares about people of color. Just ask the people of Haiti. Huge donors to her "Foundation" won out over the poor people of Haiti. Just like the poor people of the USA lose out every time because of her and her coziness to Special Interests who want nothing more than to divide us along the lines of race


I agree, she is as evil, corrupt and psychopathic as they come. That is the only correct points you have stated to me so far. You are not *completely* ignorant.



That's their whole game. George Soros is responsible for BLM, a violent group. That's what makes the Liberals happy. The only time black lives matter to them is at election time. It has been proven time and time again. Look at the inner cities. Look at the murder rate in Chicago which has skyrocketed since Obama took Office


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What a load of B.S. to suggest that Trump supporters are racist. I am calling you out.


Well, not all are racist. Some are just ignorant bigots. Your words (thought process) above clearly demonstrated that. I am calling you out...



How ignorant you are. You and the rest of the Liberals bring it down to the gutter of racism, because you have no better argument.


I resent the Liberal comment more than being called ignorant. Firstly, I have never voted in my life, do not plan to ever vote, and do not allow myself to participate in the theatrics of politics. Here is my post from a month ago to help clarify:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Secondly, I believe both Clinton and Trump supporters share the same values and mindset. After all, only the ignorant can become so enthralled with the sham of politics, especially American politics.

Lastly, as I stated in my original post: I personally do not have a dog in this fight despite having investments and business dealings in the States. I Am Canadian.

Again: one thing I do know is no matter who wins the election, America and the rest of the world is screwed.














I reread the article and it is inherently false in its very premise.

"Once again, bigotry is absolutely central to the Trump phenomenon — indeed, in many ways it's reminiscent of the Jim Crow South, where a white elite kept a large minority population in submission with violent terrorism and bought off poor whites with economic scraps and racist propaganda."

"Finally, even if we posit for the sake of argument that racism explains Trump, it does not explain the particular character of his racism, nor his violent authoritarian tendencies."

"But that is completely consistent with Trump leveraging whites' economic distress by scapegoating ethnic minorities and immigrants."

"But in their haste to rule out economic factors, liberals are whistling past some important data, and failing to explain other aspects of Trump — namely, his violence and authoritarianism."

"Trumpists are disgruntled white racists, end of story."

Now, with the whole article laced with sentences like that, how do you expect me to take it seriously? It's just plain false, just like Hillary's whole speech. You say you have no dog in the fight, but you bring to the table a hit piece on Donald Trump and his supporters. You point to the context of the article. In order to take the context seriously you at least have to agree with the whole premise of the article, which is inherently false. It's trash.

And what you highlighted in bold was in the same sentence decrying Trump as a racist. What point are you making?
Also, when I quoted your post, I didn't edit out anything. I hit the "quote" button just like I'm doing this time.
Don't expect me to take you seriously or anything you say seriously if you're going to use a false article to support any argument you may have.

The whole topic of this thread is about a response to Hillary calling Trump a racist. And what do you do? You try to add fuel to Hillary's fire by bringing in a false article the whole premise of which is stating that Trump is a racist. So don't expect me to fall for it.



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: JaMeDoIt
Yes...Trump supporters are for the most part racist.
Next question.
Cheers

I'm going to assume, as usual, that you have no idea of what "racism" actually is. I'll wait until you do a quick Google search and read the definition. (Jeopardy music playing).

Are you back? So you see it is the belief that one race of people are superior to another race of people. Now I'll give you a long time to come up with the answer to this. What has Donald Trump been proven to have done or has been actually said by the man that would PROVE that he believes that every white person is superior to every black person.

I'll wait as long as it takes...but I will check back. And if you don't...or can't respond with a valid, truthful and factual answer (eg. not an opinion, belief or view) I'll give you a choice of "Liar" or "Dumb". Your choice.



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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I did a google search...it said to go # yourself.
Cheers
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe



Now, with the whole article laced with sentences like that, how do you expect me to take it seriously?


You do not have to take it seriously at all; you just need to discern information within its proper context...

However, the article goes on to point out that despite Trump pandering to, and receiving the support of those with racist and bigoted mindsets, many of his supporters are not bigots or racist at all. Yet, many still are.

AGAIN:


Trump is winning people without a college degree (disproportionately low-class) by 10 percentage points, according to a recent Bloomberg poll — whereas in 2012, President Obama won that same group by 4 points.


The above quote from the article is implying that not all Trump supporters are bigots or racist. Some of those very people who now support Trump once voted for Obama...



You say you have no dog in the fight, but you bring to the table a hit piece on Donald Trump and his supporters.


Does the following quote from the link I shared (which is now the third time I'm posting these words for you,) sound like "a hit piece"? It is simply offering a slightly different narrative than the "All Trump supporters are racist" narrative.


It rather stretches credulity to assert that Clinton is getting slaughtered among whites without a college degree entirely because of racism when only four years ago the actual black candidate did 10 points better among the same group. (Incidentally, in 2012 non-college educated whites made up over one-third of Obama's votes.)


The above quote is implying that the Hillary camp and her supporters are mistaken to think "All Trump supporters are racist" due to the fact Obama once had the support of some of those people who now support Trump.



In order to take the context seriously you at least have to agree with the whole premise of the article, which is inherently false. It's trash.


That is a close minded way of viewing it. I disagree.

One needs to be able to discern information in its proper context in order to weigh it out. That is all. Whether one agrees or not is not a factor. To entertain information without accepting it is called having an open mind...



And what you highlighted in bold was in the same sentence decrying Trump as a racist. What point are you making?


I hope after reading this reply you finally understand my point. It is the same point I was making in my last reply to you...



The whole topic of this thread is about a response to Hillary calling Trump a racist. And what do you do? You try to add fuel to Hillary's fire by bringing in a false article the whole premise of which is stating that Trump is a racist. So don't expect me to fall for it.


Are you kidding me?! Yeah, again, context is important...

Despite Trump pandering to, and receiving the support of those with racist and bigoted mindsets, I believe Trump is not a racist or bigot at all. Nor are all his supporters. Trump just knows how to play the game.

Due to my disdain for politics across the globe, especially the corrupt dysfunctional US electoral system and its government, and the criminal psychopathic ways of Hilary, I hope Trump does win the election. Then again:

The more idiotic rhetoric that comes out of Trump's mouth and his campaign minion's mouths, the more I'm convinced of Trump's purpose is to destroy the GOP and escort Hillary into the WH.

Therefore, I hope the American people throw a curve ball and elect him.

"Under modern conditions of political advertising and manipulation, it has become possible to talk of the engineering of consent by an elite of experts and professional politicians. Consent that is thus engineered is difficult to distinguish in any fundamental way from the consent that supports modern totalitarian governments. Were the manipulated voter to become the normal voter, the government he supports could hardly be said to rest on his consent in any traditional sense of that word." - Edward Bernays

en.wikipedia.org...

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edit on 27-8-2016 by Involutionist because: Grammar and punctuation SUCKS!



posted on Aug, 27 2016 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix



I haven't seen anyone try to paint every Republican as a racists.

I have seen people point out that racists groups (KKK, White Supremacist, etc), support and endorse Republican policies. I have also seen people point out people saying racist things at Republican rallies or holding signs with racist messages on them. I have seen people point out that a lot of Trump's statements are racist and his past behavior (which concluded in lawsuits) were racists.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked by that, it's not our fault that the party you have chosen to endorse caters to racists people and groups. That's not our fault, that is just a fact that you have to deal with.


But people are trying to paint all or at least many of Trump supporters as racists. Hillary just gave a speech insinuating that, much of the media has made that claim, and even on this thread we can see some of it. If you watched the video, you would see how many Trump supporters were called names and racists just because they support Trump, no matter what their skin color was.

And if you are going to attack Republican policies as extreme or racists, why not turn that scope on Democrats while you are at it? They defend people who hate white people, hate gays and seek to subjugate women, and so on. I have seen the father of a man that killed over 50 people at a gay club at a Hillary rally, prominently displayed, a man who believes in Sharia law and can't wait for God to deal with the gays. So is it fair to cast supsicion on Hillary supporters based on this?

You are right though that some racists support Trump. Some support Hillary too, including KKK members, black supremacists, people that believe in Sharia law and the killing of homosexuals, etc. Heck, even one of HIllary's mentors Robert Byrd was a kkk member. But for some reason, the majority of the media doesn't focus on this, they only focus on the radicals that like Trump.

The truth is we shouldn't judge a candidate based on the fact that some fringe radicals like them, all candidates will have that. For example, I am sure Jill Stein has radical environmentalists that would kill people to save animals that support her, so should we focus on that with her?

The one gentlemen in the video was hit the real point. You should be allowed to vote for whoever you want without being personally attacked. We now live in a world where people are afraid to say they support Trump, especially minority people, because they will be accused of selling out their race. I can't believe how many times I have to say this, but black people, just like white people, are individuals. They have differing opinions and that is ok. To assume that all of them must vote democrat or they are sell outs is ridiculous, and in itself racist. (Not saying you are doing that, but many of the people in the OP's video were.)

So if you want to argue that Trump is a racist, thats fine. But it is getting tiresome hearing the insinuation that if you support him you probably are a racist. I chose to focus on discussing policies with people instead of calling them names.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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I will tell you what irritates me. The WHOLE dialog of this election, is who is a racist or who is a crook, NOT how do we fix our roads, put our kids through school, create decent jobs, eliminate crime, etc. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and the people should change the conversation to WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO FIX OUR COUNTRY SPECIFICALLY We are not taking them to task and we are stuck in this stupid racism debate.
edit on 28-8-2016 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

I don't care how many videos of black Trump supporters you show saying that they don't think Trump is racist...my opinion of Trump being racist and catering to racists hasn't changed.

Remember, one of Trump's main targets are Hispanics...Blacks can be racists towards Hispanics just as some White Trump supporters are.


A couple of points here...not that it will make any difference to you, as you have already made up your mind about Donald Trump and his supporters.

1) Trump has not targeted "Hispanics" as you claim here. He has targeted "Illegal Immigrants" - a majority of whom just happen to have come across the uncontrolled Mexican border. If you listen carefully, you will also hear Trump talking about the huge problem with people who overstay their Visas, and his plans to rectify that problem.


The report, obtained by USA TODAY, is the first analysis of a population that is largely unknown. The so-called "visa overstays" represent an estimated 40% of the 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the country, but are overshadowed by undocumented immigrants who sneak across the nation's southwest border with Mexico.


4.5 Million Illegals Overstayed their Visas

So, by your argument, Trump is also targeting Asians, Africans, Europeans, Canadians and Icelanders (and whomever else)?

2) In the last Presidential election, roughly 95% of African Americans voted for Obama...a Democrat. Here you state that Blacks are racist toward Hispanics (like some White Trump supporters you say). Therefore, apparently, using your theory of what defines racism...Hillary Clinton and her supporters are racists.

My message? Stop using the term racism as such a broad brush - and don't use this very inflammatory term to attack Presidential candidates on the basis of what some of their supporters "other interests" are.

Let's not forget that a KKK Grand Wizard in California endorsed Hillary - does that mean that Hillary endorses the KKK, or that her supporters are largely White Supremacists? Of course not.

So, let's try to apply the same rules of common sense to Trump and his supporters.
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posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

I will tell you what irritates me. The WHOLE dialog of this election, is who is a racist or who is a crook, NOT how do we fix our roads, put our kids through school, create decent jobs, eliminate crime, etc. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and the people should change the conversation to WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO FIX OUR COUNTRY SPECIFICALLY We are not taking them to task and we are stuck in this stupid racism debate.


I agree with you. They need to be focusing on infrastructure and other things that would reduce crime, etc, etc.

However, politicians listen to and respond to the loudest voices in our national crowd. If we want these issues fixed, we should start howling about them.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: TonyS
The media has to ignore it being all in for HRC, because shes fip floped on the issue to hide her support for TPP.


All Trump has to do is start tweeting and talking about the TPP and it would be all over the news.

The question is why is he not talking about trade anymore?

Probably has at least something to do with him going to bed with mainstream Republicans and donors.

His VP selection is a huge TPP backer.



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