Scientists deliver blow to Clovis myth about how people arrived in America

a reply to: Wolfenz

dude?!
did you say "arctic circle"?

a reply to: username74

woah!, you see that? just lost a karma point, right there!
is that you john wayne?

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

dude?!
did you say "arctic circle"?

Yes why !

Arctic circle ..

yah god dam WIKI LOL

Arctic exploration
en.wikipedia.org...


lots of Theory's of the Arctic circle


well..
nuit Inuit Inuit !! BTW the Chuckchi & The Nenets are like the Inuits

Bryan Sykes' "Seven Daughters of Eve" is an eye opening book. It was recommended to me by a well respected geneticist.
If you can get through the first chapters dealing with peer reviews, tests, retests, and the frankly boring scientific lab stuff it opens up into a real page turner.
Sykes mapped the mitochondrial DNA of every region and traced it all backwards to a genetic starting point - Mitochondrial 'Eve" (in Africa...). It would appear that after living in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years, humans started their walk towards the farthest corners of the earth.

One takeaway from it was the mapping of the Polynesian islands, and the genetic spread east. It showed that early travelers actually set off east, rather than the previously accepted idea that south American based people set off westwards (like Thor Hayerdahl tried to prove with Kon Tiki). Apparently sailing with the tide wasn't favoured. Sailing against the tides allowed easier backtracking should a quest out into open ocean prove fruitless.

The upshot is that as we progress scientifically we need to re-visit our long held knowledge and revise as necessary as new evidence arises. I'm not saying travelers from the South American lands arrived from Polynesia, but there is a case against travel FROM South America to Polynesia. It's not impossible that there was a migration from Russia across a land bridge, but we need to keep an open mind that new evidence might change how we see things.

The end of the book is just some rather fanciful fictional conjecture on the lives of some early tribes. Don't discount the meat of the book based on these stories.

a reply to: Wolfenz

oh i see... your second post wasnt up till now

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

oh i see... your second post wasnt up till now

yeah was working on it

a reply to: Wolfenz
Man, you should stop skimming fringe sites for keywords and make some small effort, even if token, to learn just a handful of the most basic facts concerning what it is you decide to pontificate on.

Your most egregious faux pas (among several others) in this referenced post is this - nobody claims the Inca built Tiahuanaco, which includes Pumapunku.
The Inca themselves TOLD us they didn't build the place.
That's not exactly a new finding there, you know. It's original to the Spanish invaders for God's sake.
Not the first time I've seen this Inca-Pumupunku idea posted in this thread and I believe the other instances were your posts as well.

You like to come up with a bunch of unsupported BS, but you won't even bother to learn the basics.

That doesn't add to your credibility, you know.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte
That doesn't add to your credibility, you know.

credibility ??

with who ??

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Harte
That doesn't add to your credibility, you know.

credibility ??

with who ??

To pass zero, one must add.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: Wolfenz
Man, you should stop skimming fringe sites for keywords and make some small effort, even if token, to learn just a handful of the most basic facts concerning what it is you decide to pontificate on.

Your most egregious faux pas (among several others) in this referenced post is this - nobody claims the Inca built Tiahuanaco, which includes Pumapunku.
The Inca themselves TOLD us they didn't build the place.
That's not exactly a new finding there, you know. It's original to the Spanish invaders for God's sake.
Not the first time I've seen this Inca-Pumupunku idea posted in this thread and I believe the other instances were your posts as well.

You like to come up with a bunch of unsupported BS, but you won't even bother to learn the basics.

That doesn't add to your credibility, you know.

Harte

OK what do you mean Skimming for Keywords ? What ??

you mean there is others saying the saem thing as I whoa Amazing ...

Anyhoo ...

nobody claims the Inca built Tiahuanaco, which includes Pumapunku.

Yes your Friend your Buddy , MarDuk the Alien - Sumerian ( # that rhymes ) So called God

He doesn't Believe there was a Outsider that was involved in the creation of those Stone Structures
he believes the INCAS solely did it on their OWN ..

I come Up with a Bunch of unsported BS ?

you dont see any Main Media Website nor News BS NOR University's , Antiquity Groups , jumping in Either too Debunk nor Refute it Either

WHY??? Because They Themselves cant come UP with a Conclusive Answer! as WHY They Exist .
The Puma Punku Site ... NO one Knows for Sure Who Built Them and For Why , Or Even How
as Some Engineers and Masonry Experts are Baffled of How it was Accomplished

depends on who you are referring too! LOL in the Field and has Been There at these Sites!

Have you Been there ? Nope Neither Has MarDuk .. Nor Myself
although I have Sources of a Contact of People that were Actually been there ..

All 3 of US JUST .. have the Internet and Books and Articles to Go BY and Photos Too..

I make the Attempt to Search for Legit Archaeologist and Engineers of what they have to say and
their Ideas about it , let alone Scholars of their Own Thought...


and not Bother to Learn the BASIC of WHAT ???

You Two Are Amature 's just as I AM

in this Ordeal ... Neither can come up with Facts Either
and Deny anything that is Plausible ...

Point Blank I Believe there was a Connection in some way from the Old to the New World ..


I can Connect the Dots unfortunately neither of yous can or Refuse too ..

The Basic thing that Stands in your ways is TIME , Centuries to Millenniums


Ziggurat what is suppose too look like like the one in UR Iraq


what it is Now


this is in Uxmal, Mexico


This in Teotihuacan Mexico


Bagan, Myanmar.



There is a Strong Resemblance between Balinese and Mayan Art and Stonework

but you would refuse to accept that ..

yet accept Polynesians Traveling allover the Ancient Pacific ! from New Zealand to Hawaii to Easter Island ..
if not how else did the pacific islanders get there ?

if they can do it ... why couldn't Sumerians or Ancient Persians, Egyptians , INDIA or the Chinese ,
have done the Same ??

what both of you are looking for is a Permanent Settlement from the OLD World ..

which I Agree there Isn't ... doesn't mean they could of not been there ...

a reply to: Wolfenz

tell us how they constructed the dry ashlar wall and we will forget this thread ever happened.
or at least i will.
sound like a deal?

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

tell us how they constructed the dry ashlar wall and we will forget this thread ever happened.
or at least i will.
sound like a deal?

Ashler Masonery is all over the OLD world Eygpt Iraq Iran, Rome

Nice Say follow the Dry Ashler Walls in the Ancient OLD WORLD
to the New World ..



I can tell as to why : for a Stronger Hold in in a Offset Design ... to prevent it from Crumbling Down ( No need for Mortar ) and good for Weather Disasters too ( irregular shapes ) , like Earth Quakes Tornadoes etc.. basically to be Stable

just as Shown in the Ancient Old World...
but nothing so Precise nor Defined as in the New World

dont forget the Stones like they were melted ! or soften .. aka Vitrified stones
in Sacsayhuaman Peru another Amazing Wonder .. in the NEW World

but then again I research long ago that there is Vitrified (Melted Stone) in Scotland in quite of few Ruins ..
even the Ancient Stone Monoliths look as if they were vitrified ... although some claim its just weather worn

Vitrified fort
en.wikipedia.org...

but nothing compared to the Site of Sacsayhuaman in Peru




Seeing Im focusing on Egypt, Sumerian and Babylonian ( Iraq Iran ) and Turkey

In the Old world for Stability

THE EARLY PHRYGIAN GATE AT
GORDION, TURKEY: AN INVESTIGATION
OF DRY STONE MASONRY IN SEISMIC
REGIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
STABILIZATION
Meredith Arlene Keller
University of Pennsylvania, [email protected]
repository.upenn.edu...






Here see this on ATS
Dry Ashlar Walls in Peru (Inca Attributed) Eerily Unique in a World Filled with Ancient Megaliths
www.abovetopsecret.com...



Ok I found out who !!

It was These Guys !


LOL...

a reply to: Wolfenz

so no, then. but thanks anyway.
so i imply, if you can figure this method out then things will be clearer!

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

so no, then. but thanks anyway.
so i imply, if you can figure this method out then things will be clearer!

K Ill work on it...

if your asking who ? built the Ashler Dry Stone Masonry

probely them , but who taught them ? Showed them the way ..
is more like pointing too some source of the Old World..

well as in modern day in the last century Deco Art Design
is all over from the mid 20s to the late 50s it it spread all Globally in Europe and America
the fad lasted well over 30 years ...

as someone said every Human Being had the Bow and Arrow and Spear , in every Habitable land
derived from the Source the Earliest Hunter gathers ... that Spread across the World

then again same as the tale of a Dragon and a Unicorn too LOL in every major civilization ..

LOL ..

ohh yeah i forgot about this like the Ashlar Dry Stones



Is this the lost tomb of the last Incan emperor? Amazon ruins could solve one of the greatest mysteries of the ancient world
Newly-discovered site in Ecuador could be resting place of Atahualpa
Legend says he left a room filled with gold and silver to appease Spaniards
It could be one of the greatest archaeological discoveries of all time


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... html#ixzz4Hi2Q4ZIt

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The Source from ATS

Ruins discovered deep in jungle may unravel centuries-old archaeological mysteries
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Wolfenz

doesnt matter who.
go for how, and their tech will describe them.
no one taught them. taught themselves as we do.
no mystery there.
they figured it out, built it, disappeared.
you figure the constuction process, you have a lot of info regarding material, method, kit, motive.
until we know, this it is conjecture, from all sides.
with this info we can start.
that its a puzzle implies we do not have similar tech, structure.
that is your puzzle.
no aliens.
no cheating. no intellectual laziness!!
think! - logically !!!!!!

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

doesnt matter who.
go for how, and their tech will describe them.
no one taught them. taught themselves as we do.
no mystery there.
they figured it out, built it, disappeared.
you figure the constuction process, you have a lot of info regarding material, method, kit, motive.
until we know, this it is conjecture, from all sides.
with this info we can start.
that its a puzzle implies we do not have similar tech, structure.
that is your puzzle.
no aliens.
no cheating. no intellectual laziness!!
think! - logically !!!!!!

Ahh Right ...


Its All Conjunture, Theorys nothing is Fact until
there is solid Evidence

well if they taught them selves were is the Pre Designs ??
and the Progress of Improvements

I thought the Same that they solely did it them selves...

until i came to the conclusion there is No ( that I have seen as of yet )
The Pre history of Progress of improvement if the figured it out

it not like they had some Laboratory Testing Ground
to see what worked did they ?

Right No ALiens ... no intercultural Laziness

So what category is the INCA are in what Stage ?


just have to figure out what the KNOTS are Saying

Researchers May Be Closer to Solving Ancient Inca Mystery
JANUARY 6, 2016 By Sarah Pruitt
www.history.com...

a reply to: Wolfenz

forget who!
how!

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

forget who!
how!

yeah I made that Attempt of How ,, in my earliest of posts to this thread

didn't work so well ... did it ..

it looks like it was manufactured and processed from a Mould , in a Assembly line ...
talking about the H Blocks...

let alone how the gigantic stone got there !!!
12,500 feet above sea level ...

and for you to say HOW ...

Seems Like No one can Answer as in How
not even Expert Engineers , or Stone Masonry Experts could explain
as some are Still baffled in how the Ancients created the Stones
they can describe in how they themselves could, but with Modern Technology ..

possible some vitrification ? seeing the Ancients from Scotland did it in a crude way


a Skeptic view

The Mystery of Pumapunku
Were the stone structures at Pumapunku truly so advanced that the ancients could not have made them unassisted?
skeptoid.com...

The Mystery of the Vitrified Forts
Some 60 ancient stone forts in Scotland have vitrified walls, with the stone melted into glass. How was it done?
skeptoid.com...

Want to Build a Strong Fortress? Set It On Fire
Ancient fortifications in Europe had melted stone walls—but it wasn’t battle damage
news.nationalgeographic.com...



so what is your take in how ?

a reply to: Wolfenz

well i suppose its more about how we consider our predecessors world.
its not our world. its natures world red in tooth and claw. which is pretty barbarous for us and frightening.
we tend to regard the idea of living in their way as tough but they didnt have that comparison.
the same for time and property.
there are some analogues, the sun, cyclic rhythms and territory.
so i dont think they would have our sense of fear or revulsion.
they built no infra structure as we view it but they had time, and observation.
even if they had an infrastructure it had to start somewhere.
thats where you need to put yourself.
so the ashlars a good puzzle to start with.
why like this, is this how ice and water creates breccia out of rocks.
for sure nature was their teacher and they were certainly seeing her in full force and maybe thats different, somehow.
i suspect it developed during the end of one of the ice ages to protect against seismic and/or possibly cosmic events.
its possible it could have taken thousands of years to develop this.
it could be a hangover as it were and was continued after the events finished, embedded in the style, or it could be a development from carpentry. you see these joints in old wood totems also.
in any case if they figured it, we can. but itll take alot of figuring.
there will be clues, no good to charge in with h blocks. that in any case was not the first production.

a reply to: username74

Agree Natures World ...

Just US MODERN HUMANS been on the Planet for 250,000+ Years
Yet we Didn't Start Critical Thinking until the Past 11,000 years
in Architectural Construction ?

For Me there Seems to be a Problem with that ?

SO Basically MODERN MAN
Had been Running with the Hominids for the Past 239,000 Years
Does not seem Right To Me ...

They Lived a Hard and Simple Lifestyle ..

Well Most Ancient Civilizations Knew How the SUN Worked ,
The Cycle Rhythms aka Seasons for Agriculture
and Geo Territory, let alone the Cosmos Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans,
Indians (INDIA) Chinese All Knew

The Same as Their Gods ,
all Represent the Same Virtues and Attributes, just different Naming
and All From The SKY ( Not from this Earth ) or Underground (Under World )

right it had to start some where !

and that is the Missing KEY ..

what or Whom caused their Curious Minds ??

Advanced Outsiders Claiming to be a Gods or some Entity
Perhaps?

ASHLARS is a Good Start ,, as it Represents Stability and Off set Design
preparation of a Disasters Event , which is all over ...

Development in Carpentry , I mentioned this in other thread long ago
the Technic , I haven't seen a Totem Pole with the Advancement of
the Design of the H Blocks ,,
for Stone The Closest ive seen is in a Few Ancient spots INDIA ,
and The Church'es of ST George in Ethiopia Resemblance
and it considered being built in the 12th century and
was worked on by so called Angels at night according to Legend ..

as most cant comprehend the Resemblance of the Old World and New World
Architectures .. as i placed it on this Thread
something must of been Passed down ..

I Agree it wasn't the First Production...

although there to PreDesigns earlier Versions , nor Progress of Improvement

that have been found , which tells me an Outside Source must of came in.
Helped Design, packed up their Equipment and Tools and left! and went back where they came from , just like in modern day! Usually contractors will not leave their tools behind on the Job site..


I Will Admit:::

I have a Hard Time Grasping that Inca's
Did this on Their Own Let alone How ..





but I do See a Balinese Connection with the Mayans