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Scientists deliver blow to Clovis myth about how people arrived in America

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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 08:59 AM
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Sc ientists deliver blow to Clovis myth about how people arrived in America

Is there any way the first Americans migrated from Siberia through an ice-free corridor? No, say scientists.
By Eva Botkin-Kowacki, Staff writer August 10, 2016


For decades, archaeologists thought they knew how the story went: Humans migrated from Siberia to Alaska over the Bering land bridge during the last Ice Age, but were stuck there until a corridor opened up between the eastern and western ice sheets covering much of what is now Canada. Then, the Clovis people – thought to be the first to spread across the Americas – took that new path down to the rest of the continent.

But as evidence poured in suggesting people were in the Americas long before the distinctive Clovis spearpoints showed up, the Clovis-first model was discredited.



Here we have a very interesting article, if true, this could be a major game changer. For years I and many here have been arguing over and debating just how far back does modern man history in the New world go? It seems that the evidence for a much earlier than previously accepted timeline may very well be in the writing.

Controversial finding such as the true age of some Peruvian sites may be finally coming within realistic striking distance. Professor Arthur Poznansky examined the ruins of Tiahuanako (Tiwanaku) in Bolivia (megalithic ruins of Kalasaya and Puma Punku) for forty years as well as German cosmologist Edmund Kiss, established that these ancient enigmatic structures of giant stone blocks had been built somewhere around 14-17 thousand years ago.


By about 16,000 years ago, people found their way around the ice sheets, according to archaeological sites across North and South America.

The dominant theory today is that these people came down the Pacific coast either by boat or when the ice sheets retreated enough to reveal a coastal walkway, long before the ice-free corridor had opened up.


No, I'm not saying this is proof of those controversial findings by Poznansky. But the timeline for such a possibility just got a whole lot more realistic imho of course.


As Always, Stay tuned.
Slay




posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69
Dontcha just love it!!!



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:08 AM
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Never underestimate the human desire to see what is over yonder hill (or ocean) comes to mind. Great find as it appears scientific proof is catching up with the beliefs of many. I did a thread a couple of years ago about the comet impact that basically wiped out most of the mega fauna... Canada and the USA would have been effected big time so just an opinion..... South America and maybe central America would be the place to look for older ruins in this part of the world.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:10 AM
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If people have canoes they can navigate the coasts, staying in sight of land, landing again when they need to replenish their supplies. Living of the shore and tidal zones is sustainable , once they know how they can catch fish and crab anywhere. The coast from Alaska to Chile is a long one.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69

I have a tendency to agree with you,did first humans arrive all over the world? there is a reason that history how we are told is utter BS,I believe little what is in main stream,too much has been supressed


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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:23 AM
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I think the big secret here is that modern man has been around for a VERY VERY long time. I truly believe that this is the second age of man, that hundreds of thousands of years ago (maybe longer) mankind was technologically advanced and that the first world was destroyed in either a great cataclysm or by a war. Sounds crazy? The Vedic tradition says something similar and that man's history goes back a million years, maybe it does. We couldn't really know.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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That last part in your linked article:

And that rules out the idea that the Clovis people came down the corridor, Meltzer writes in an email. "I think we both also agree that the first hard [archaeological] evidence in the corridor when it finally opens is post-Clovis in age, and likely from people moving north and not south."

That really flips things around.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
If people have canoes they can navigate the coasts, staying in sight of land, landing again when they need to replenish their supplies. Living of the shore and tidal zones is sustainable , once they know how they can catch fish and crab anywhere. The coast from Alaska to Chile is a long one.



If Neanderthal or older 'upright man' could sail around the ancient Mediterranean ---> Neanderthals May Have Sailed to Crete

Why wouldn't 'Homo Sapien' have been able to simply sail down along the coast?



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:29 AM
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There's been incidental evidence to suggest the possibility of non-Bering migrations for years. Kennewick man, the intriguing connections between the Zuni people of the American Southwest and the Japanese, and a host of traditional histories and origin stories.

Social sciences discounted the Maori story of their discovery of New Zealand until genetic evidence revealed that there might be some truth to it.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:30 AM
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That certainly worked for colonizing the islands of the Pacific.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: SLAYER69
there is a reason that history how we are told is utter BS,I believe little what is in main stream,too much has been supressed


Do tell! What has been suppressed and what is the reason?
( Beyond 19th century attempts to justify the disenfranchising of the First Nations, prop up Mormonism, and answer that pesky question as to why the Bible doesn't mention the FN, that is)



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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Wait, so God didn't just magically create everything two thousand years ago over the course of a week? /sarcasm

I'd love it if people could get past their fairly tales and we could actually begin to globally accept things like this as fact. Of course we all know that will never happen. If proof of evolution isn't enough to convince a Creationist, how are we ever going to convince them of something like this?

Thanks for the read

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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 10:05 AM
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Slayer:
You, Harte, Hanslune, Buster(brilliant, albeit polar opposite of me) and Phage are why I love this site...

Your posts are always articulate, informative and the speculative nature of your assertions are always grounded in evidence-based hypotheses...

I have no point in this post other than to express my appreciation for your consistent, excellent contributions to the fabric of ATS...

-Christosterone



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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The Babel story would be the only place the FN could fall under and it would be a linguistic point only . eta a vid talk on the different names in the table of nations and where they may have went

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posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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The accepted archaeological world isn't very big. So there isn't really a 'main stream' like on most other sciences or media or what ever.
The clovis theory is based off a ton of evidence. Hard, hold in your hands evidence that's what archaeologist dig up. And it's not just archaeologist it's anthropologist, historian and a lot other fields that contribute evidence. It'll be hard to disprove it.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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Read this last night, knew someone would post it.


Have been quietly doing the "happy dance".
The paternalistic garbage spewed for the past 200 years has been appallingly incorrect and offensive. FN people have been saying they've been here all along and it's nice of us to finally, oh say, be decent enough to finally pay attention?

I agree there are questions of Japanese visits in the past. Sego Canyon altho mired in the UFO designation of the glyphs, have been long theorized to be actual depictions of the Bon Peoples. I don't find it impossible, but what the heck, I'm just a layperson, right?

Great news regardless!!!






posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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so are we looking for other aggregation sites en route. for different routes, although we must look sub sea surface if we drop south.
can we pull the dateline template and assess evidence freely.
or are we still assuming our predecessor s just sat in caves for 190000 years then suddenly got their # together, for no apparent reason.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
South America and maybe central America would be the place to look for older ruins in this part of the world.

Didn't some female archaeologist find such evidence ... and subsequently had her reputation smeared and her career destroyed?

I distinctly remember something about an Out of Place construction site going up right over the top of her dig so no one else could come back and re-examine what she had found.

Anyway ... the Official Story doesn't cut it. It was a bunch of boneheads who got together tens of thousands of years later and 'mad s# up' ... same thing they always do in academia.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: 191stMIDET
I truly believe that this is the second age of man, that hundreds of thousands of years ago (maybe longer) mankind was technologically advanced and that the first world was destroyed in either a great cataclysm or by a war.

I like your posts more and more.

There's no doubt in my mind that there was a superior race of people populating the planet ... and the 'history' books have the first 99% ripped off and lost to those ages. The evidence the OP refers to is the remnant.



posted on Aug, 11 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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My theory is that the first people to land on continental US were living on the edge of the ice age ice sheet(think how the Inuit do it, live off the sea but close to the ice sheet edge). So either coming across the Atlantic or Pacific if the ice sheet stretched down as far a California or Virginia then their land fall would be further down the coast than if they crossed by Alaska and migrated down the coast, Which would take considerably longer time.



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