Trump Polled At 65% Against Clinton - SHOCKING SOURCE

Not surprising.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: CornShucker
One can hardly be surprised by the inability of modern day college graduates to know there is a difference between the word "then" and the word "than" (they are NOT interchangeable!(yet...)) when there are tenured professors who can't string together two coherent sentences.

There is a good reason that a college degree has become almost useless when a fresh graduate is looking for their first position. When you can't spell and don't have even a feeble grasp of grammar, expecting much more than flipping burgers is being overly-optimistic.

Language evolves over time. Over the past 100 years as literacy rose the language became more formalized but in recent times as efficiency has been more important than clarity the words have become much more phonetic. Than/then, you/u, your/ur, ok/k, etc. There's many theories why this is, some say it's indicative of us regressing while others argue the opposite. My opinion on the subject is that written communication has become so cheap, so widespread, and so fast that there is little need to worry about getting things right the first time. It's best to say what you're going to say, and clarify later if required.

To some degree, I can see your point...

On the other hand, one of the last jobs I had before my body failed me and I was forced into retirement/disability is a multi-national, Fortune 500 company. I felt like the little boy who could see the Emperor was buck naked during one of the last company updates I attended.

Do you think your theory is justifiable when you have a plant manager giving a Power Point presentation to the employees in groups of about 100 at a time and said presentation includes a screen that refers to "our company's presents in the current marketplace"???

Somebody farther down the food chain was either too ignorant or too lazy to do more than run a spell-check on it (if they even did that). I'm sure they were college educated... What about our plant manager and all of the other plant managers that had been giving the presentation (in at least two other English speaking countries that I know of)?? Is that how language evolves toward efficiency? Should I have stood up and pointed it out? I was already going home at night so exhausted that I usually fell into bed before even a shower or supper! Besides, it would surely have cost me my job.

I recently read an article in which a self-satisfied, college educated blogger made the claim (in all seriousness) that any modern graduate would be able to make ANY of our Founding Fathers look like a backwoods hayseed in short order.

Like I said, I can agree with your premise up to a point. If you are a 13 years old and texting your BFF, spelling, clarity and grammar can always be corrected later. One of those graduates in your example that manage to make it past the filters and the interview should aim a bit little higher...

originally posted by: CornShucker
Do you think your theory is justifiable when you have a plant manager giving a Power Point presentation to the employees in groups of about 100 at a time and said presentation includes a screen that refers to "our company's presents in the current marketplace"???

I don't know how much paper writing you've ever done, but I've done a lot. One of the hardest things to do when writing a paper isn't coming up with content, it's proof reading. You know what you're going to say, so when you read your paper you already know what you're trying to say. The wrong word slipping in is very common. That's probably all that happened here, all it means is there was no one proofreading the manager's powerpoint.

I recently read an article in which a self-satisfied, college educated blogger made the claim (in all seriousness) that any modern graduate would be able to make ANY of our Founding Fathers look like a backwoods hayseed in short order.

It depends on the field of study. They might be further along in political science, and they had real life experiences to back up their actions but the average graduate knows more math, science, philosophy, politics, history, law, language, economic theory, etc... than any of our founding fathers.

Like I said, I can agree with your premise up to a point. If you are a 13 years old and texting your BFF, spelling, clarity and grammar can always be corrected later. One of those graduates in your example that manage to make it past the filters and the interview should aim a bit little higher...

I don't know about that. I have 4 degrees and am working on my fifth, if you go back and check the post of mine you're responding to you'll see that I edited it, and it was precisely for this reason. I have no incentive to get it right the first time, instead I could say what I had to say and fix it later. Ironically, what I edited in was my opinion on why people get spelling wrong so often these days.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: jellyrev

No, he doesn't. Try again.

Look at Pew...spend some time there. Educated people lean toward Democrat --- across the board.
And I'm not a "shillbot" - I don't like either of them.

I like facts. The facts are that educated people lean Dem. Religious people lean Repub. It is what it is.

Interesting.... opinion.

I'm a "post-graduate married woman" and "religiously unaffiliated", yet I am libertarian. What does this mean?

a reply to: Cherry0

Right. Most of my new lasting friends of the past 15 years are very smart, educated. None of them are Democrats, while not all are too mindful of even following a specific political party. The oldest / wisest / most educated / most successful / most traveled / most sensible / possibly smartest of which is mostly a Libertarian, and would identify as Catholic (he's not all crazy about the stuff though, definitely never brings it up).

There they go grouping everybody together and judging them again.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I agree, polls are nonsense. I guess you are too intelligent to see why this one in particular would be surprising. Please tell me why Bravo TV show, hosted by an ultra left wing homosexual, with an overwhelmingly LGBT and female audience, would have a vested interest to show Trump winning? You can even see Hillary's name highlighted in all blue at the top, as the vested interest they had was for Hillary to win the poll.

I don't see why you need to be obtuse and rude at the same time.

Everyone I know is voting for Trump. All of my friends and family are voting for Trump. Just had a Polish immigrant appliance repairman that told me he was voting for Trump. I then had another appliance repairman tell me the same thing three days later. My pool guy, also voting for Trump. All of my co-workers, voting for Trump.

I will ask around.

Not shocked at all. Bravo's shows, tailored to it's audience, are pretty much for braindead housewives and drama fiends. So it should stand to reason that they would be a bunch of Trump Chumps. People with actual working brains and things to do are not sitting around at home watching "real Housewives" or some #.

originally posted by: MrSpad
Their are groups online that think it is funny to screw with polls like this since all they do text in to vote. They do it all over in particular those singing shows that have voting where they pick the worse candidate and keep them as long as they can to constant frustration of the judges. Internet Trolls are not just on the internet anymore. I do not think they expect anybody to take it serious.

But this was a Live poll. I agree that internet trolls purposefully skew statistics, but getting enough people to catch wind of a live TV poll and to vote in it enough to significantly affect it? Seems incredibly unlikely.

originally posted by: Winstonian
what does this tell us?

That Trump supporters will flood a thread posting how polls are useless, fixed and mean nothing.

Unless that poll shows Trump ahead, where they will make their own Thread about it.

99/100 polls show a Democratic landslide.

The one poll that doesn't MUST be right.

Welcome to wishful thinking, 2016.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Cherry0

Right. Most of my new lasting friends of the past 15 years are very smart, educated. None of them are Democrats, while not all are too mindful of even following a specific political party. The oldest / wisest / most educated / most successful / most traveled / most sensible / possibly smartest of which is mostly a Libertarian, and would identify as Catholic (he's not all crazy about the stuff though, definitely never brings it up).

There they go grouping everybody together and judging them again.

Precisely. That's why I think we all need to just put down the giant paintbrush.

I don't put too much stock into polls. I find them shallow and pedantic (does worst Peter Griffin voice ever). I really liked the reactions in that video though. Made me chuckle.

Most of the polls I hear, other than this one, are bought and paid for and rigged by The Crooked Clinton Foundation. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SheopleNation
Most of the polls I hear, other than this one, are bought and paid for and rigged by The Crooked Clinton Foundation. ~$heopleNation

Of course they are.

All polls that show Hillary leading are rigged and all that don't aren't. How convenient.

How can these two be the candidates Americans have chosen? Both equally bad.

Just trying to find information to backup you claim bravo is liberal by design.

I can't.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Cherry0

Right. Most of my new lasting friends of the past 15 years are very smart, educated. None of them are Democrats, while not all are too mindful of even following a specific political party. The oldest / wisest / most educated / most successful / most traveled / most sensible / possibly smartest of which is mostly a Libertarian, and would identify as Catholic (he's not all crazy about the stuff though, definitely never brings it up).

There they go grouping everybody together and judging them again.

Maybe they just seem "very smart" to you, I mean I can't imagine that would be hard since you can't seem to grasp the posters point.

Educated people tend to lean to Democrats, this is not always the case, but its the majority.

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I agree, polls are nonsense. I guess you are too intelligent to see why this one in particular would be surprising. Please tell me why Bravo TV show, hosted by an ultra left wing homosexual, with an overwhelmingly LGBT and female audience, would have a vested interest to show Trump winning? You can even see Hillary's name highlighted in all blue at the top, as the vested interest they had was for Hillary to win the poll.

I don't see why you need to be obtuse and rude at the same time.

Everyone I know is voting for Trump. All of my friends and family are voting for Trump. Just had a Polish immigrant appliance repairman that told me he was voting for Trump. I then had another appliance repairman tell me the same thing three days later. My pool guy, also voting for Trump. All of my co-workers, voting for Trump.

I will ask around.

It's no shock that the people you know are voting the same way as you, why do you think that's a good point?

People tend to form social groups with people of similar backgrounds and opinions. Educated people hang around more with educated people and uneducated people tend to socialise together(and vote trump).

What point are you trying to make? We know some people are voting for Trump.

I mean no-one I know is voting for Trump but you don't see me posting a list of people I know voting for Hillary like it makes a difference.

I really can't fathom what point you were trying to make, your pool guy is voting Trump so therefore he's the favourite?
That's playschool logic.

a reply to: SudoNim

Yes very convenient, but still true. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I agree, polls are nonsense. I guess you are too intelligent to see why this one in particular would be surprising. Please tell me why Bravo TV show, hosted by an ultra left wing homosexual, with an overwhelmingly LGBT and female audience, would have a vested interest to show Trump winning? You can even see Hillary's name highlighted in all blue at the top, as the vested interest they had was for Hillary to win the poll.

I don't see why you need to be obtuse and rude at the same time.

Everyone I know is voting for Trump. All of my friends and family are voting for Trump. Just had a Polish immigrant appliance repairman that told me he was voting for Trump. I then had another appliance repairman tell me the same thing three days later. My pool guy, also voting for Trump. All of my co-workers, voting for Trump.

I will ask around.

It's no shock that the people you know are voting the same way as you, why do you think that's a good point?
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There's also the factor that things have reached the point that many, many people won't even discuss the election in order to avoid dealing with the conflict. If someone has expressed a preference for one of the two, many of their associates that hold the opposite opinion stay mum to prevent damage to the relationship.

Sad that it's that bad, but it is how things are.

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Cherry0

Right. Most of my new lasting friends of the past 15 years are very smart, educated. None of them are Democrats, while not all are too mindful of even following a specific political party. The oldest / wisest / most educated / most successful / most traveled / most sensible / possibly smartest of which is mostly a Libertarian, and would identify as Catholic (he's not all crazy about the stuff though, definitely never brings it up).

There they go grouping everybody together and judging them again.

Maybe they just seem "very smart" to you, I mean I can't imagine that would be hard since you can't seem to grasp the posters point.

Educated people tend to lean to Democrats, this is not always the case, but its the majority.

Is that from a poll?