Diagnosis? Islamophobia

originally posted by: marg6043
Any religion that denigrates women, stone them and honor kill them just for been women at the mercy of religion be any religion in my eyes have no room in the face of the earth, as a women I am deeply offended by such religion

Islam is one of them, they are a cult of terror against women in his fundamentalism.

And in America that is exactly what they want, for now within those that migrate to the US from Islamic countries, but as the years comes by and our freedom of religion is used to support this type of horrific acts it may well spread.

I say, ban Sharia in the world and Islam may stop their horrendous abuse on women.

Yes, and the left supports them at it because they only see a way to further deconstruct what they see as the oppressive Christian right be aiding the Muslims at it.

They also figure that if Muslims are helped to do bad things in the name of "freedom of religion," then they can raise an outcry that we ought to restrict it, and of course, in the interests of non-discrimination, we can't just restrict it for one group but for all. Hence, they see Muslims as an excellent way to further erode and remove freedom of religion.

But of course, you cannot remove freedom of religion without weakening the rest of the 1st Amendment, and those who think this is wonderfully subversive ought to consider their other precious freedoms that go along with it ... freedom of speech (although today's SJWs don't value that anymore clearly) and freedom to assemble (which they clearly equate to mob violence but they do value to an extent).

a reply to: ketsuko

Exactly, they keep to themselves, specially those that are from middle eastern background, they Isolate themselves from the rest of the nation as their religious laws do not go along with our constitutional laws, exposing their youth and specially women to the freedoms in this country is counterproductive.

Look at the America mecca in Illinois to be the most Muslim state , is areas where they have taken over and people have move out just no to have to deal with them.

This a map of how since Obama made it to the white house the Muslim communities across the United States have seen tremendous growth and along with them the CAIR like a parasite infecting and no letting immigrants stray away from Islam.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

When someone says to you that you are a Phobic or you have a Phobia about something or someone... turn to them and say 'no... I am a 'Con-cern-ist'.

That is my new word I'm using on ATS and other places. Let's start this trend in the Media!

I am a Con-cern-ist!

a reply to: marg6043

In my travels there is one place that is just a little more hospitable than the good folks in the US. It was the Iranian Muslims. Without knowing my name, I was invited for dinner 3 seperate times by 3 seperate strangers in Tehran. They told me it was because I was a foreigner, and they wanted to know more about me.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

My husband was station in Saudi Arabia in the 90s he spend 18 months, he love their culture as peaceful, but not the religious one.

He made a lot of friends, Kuwait is very open minded and women have rights, he befriend a Kuwaiti general they are very generous people when it comes to whom they consider their friends.

Now, in Saudi he witness their justice, the public beheading ands hand cutting, is like people are use to that and is not a big deal.

Also the Wahhabis hate the Shiites and they are always controlling them, My husband loved their hospitality, but that is because he was a foreigner, to be in Saudi you have to be invited.

And very interesting, one of the Government officials he worked with during his business, allowed my husband to see his wife without a veil.

That was an honor.

I wonder why our nation just can not leave this people alone to live their lives as they wish in their own lands, is beyond me to understand what the darn agenda is braking the middle east for what.

originally posted by: ElectricFeel

originally posted by: atrollstalker
When someone tells you Islam is the religion of peace, show them this picture. It is of a 2 year old little girl locked in a cage being burned alive. It was posted at the end of July. Mommy and daddy are burning on the other side of the flames. So, don't tell me who I can and cannot like. Am I afraid? Hell no. I just wish I was younger. Maybe CAIR can explain this, but never to my satisfaction.

With that logic you can blame Christianity for what these guys did.

Those Democrats are just burning lower case 't's.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: atrollstalker

OMG!

Who would do that to a toddler?

Muslims in the middle east.

People act like this is uncharacteristic. But Islam is a death cult with over a billion followers and we're expected to assign them as much legitimacy for their archaic religion and philosophy that we would Buddhism.

And some Buddhists have already declared war on Islam.

Those war mongering Buddhists, always engaging in violence as a result of their lack of wisdom.

Maybe this will help with the definition,

a reply to: marg6043

I wonder why our nation just can not leave this people alone to live their lives as they wish in their own lands, is beyond me to understand what the darn agenda is braking the middle east for what.

It's called The Tragedy of Great Power Politics

Mearsheimer explains and argues for his theory of "offensive realism" by stating its key assumptions, evolution from early realist theory, and its predictive capability. He readily acknowledges the inherent pessimism of offensive realism and its predictions because his world is one in which conflict between great powers will never see an end.

For some inexplicable reason, G.W.Bush decided to invade and occupy Iraq, which was a moderate (religious freedom loving country, except Shiites weren't allowed to make pilgrimage). Iraq was the Saudi buffer zone between them and Iran.

When Bush's Iraq adventure went to hell, the policy of arming local militias took hold. Wahhabis, as Saudi royal family approved sect of Islam did get some priority in arms and equipment.

Fast forward. The United States, for some inexplicable reason decided that Assad, moderate religious freedom supporter, had to go. The U.S. and Saudi governments decided to continue supporting and arming Wahhabi and similar sectarians in a fight against Assad. Those are the roots of ISIS.

It's major power politics. Social unrest can either be planned or arise as a backlash, the roots are in the major power politics either way.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: marg6043

In my travels there is one place that is just a little more hospitable than the good folks in the US. It was the Iranian Muslims. Without knowing my name, I was invited for dinner 3 seperate times by 3 seperate strangers in Tehran. They told me it was because I was a foreigner, and they wanted to know more about me.

Iranians seem alright to me too. I met a really nice Girl when I went to VEGAS!

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

This is nothing new.

Accusations of racism have been used to try and silence Obama's critics.

Cries of antisemitism are routine should someone take issue with Izrael or an American politician who happens to be Jewish.

Claims of racism or bigotry are regularly used to silence criticism.


a reply to: burgerbuddy

I wonder why Hitchens would single out one group.

Many if not all minority groups use claims of racism, antisemitism, etc. to silence their critics.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: LesMisanthrope




I wonder why our nation just can not leave this people alone to live their lives as they wish in their own lands, is beyond me to understand what the darn agenda is braking the middle east for what.

One reason being is that they are not all living in their lands.They have been disguising themselves
as refugees, when in reality they are an invasion force.I think the middle east is being broken
up some as a stepping stone for the upcoming 12th imam.

a reply to: gladtobehere

I wonder why Hitchens would single out one group.

Many if not all minority groups use claims of racism, antisemitism, etc. to silence their critics.

Hitchens disliked all religions, but he disliked Islam the most. In his memoir, he noted that he took the fatwa on his friend Salman Rushdie very personal.

Could it be the reason of no leaving the middle east alone ingrain on the Christian believe that it is from the middle east (specially Iraq and Iran) that Armageddon is to come.

Sometimes I wonder how much of the destabilization of the middle east comes from religious believes or a global agenda.

a reply to: marg6043

Sometimes I wonder how much of the destabilization of the middle east comes from religious believes or a global agenda.

Back in cold-war era, ideologies like capitalism vs communism were useful in major power agendas. Viet Nam and the dominoe theory, along with supporting dictatorship over democracy, since democracy is less easily channeled toward capitalism. These even had civil unrest backlash during 60s & 70s.

The policy of radicalizing religion started during Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan. And in Palestine, Hamas was aided by Israel in order to offset socialist PLO.

Ideologies and religion have a way of getting out of the control of the planners. In the hands of the people, it's a friends today, enemies tomorrow prospect.

ingrain on the Christian believe that it is from the middle east (specially Iraq and Iran) that Armageddon is to come.

That's kind of a conspiracies in religion type question. But yes, the Israel lobby holds great sway over U.S. politics. The Zionist Christians are part of the equation in supporting U.S. Zionist agenda directly and indirectly. Israel wants its Greater Israel, which includes Syria and Lebanon and Iraq. A Triad (US, Israel, Saudi Arabia) Russia wants in. Iran will be forced to move in self defense.

a reply to: marg6043

But to get back on the topic of Islamophobia:

Bush had to walk a very narrow line. Publicly saying, "Islam is a wonderful peaceful religion", because of his ties to Saudi royals and the bin Laden family. The so called "evil doers" were the exact same sect of Islam as the Royals.

But he needed the country to be Islamophobic in order to garner the political will of the nation to go fight his wars. He allowed it to come from designated spokespeople, with himself in a position of plausible deniability.

Strategically, the decision was made to attack Shia Islam, shutting down mosques, seizing charitable assets, etc. In order to appear publically to be "taking decisive action against 'radical Islam' " All the while protecting Saudi and bin Laden family assets. In people's minds Shia=Iran, Sunni=Saudi Arabia.

Obama inherited that same conundrum.

Acceptable enemies = Hezbollah-Shia (Lebanon) and Alawites-Shia (Syria).
Ambiguous enemies (U.S. Supports Wahhabis) but ISIS is Wahhabi. Weird!

What is a good American to do but cry out "Please politicians tell me plainly exactly which Muslims to fear so I can stop fearing the wrong ones!"

a reply to: pthena

The United States, for some inexplicable reason decided that Assad, moderate religious freedom supporter, had to go. The U.S. and Saudi governments decided to continue supporting and arming Wahhabi and similar sectarians in a fight against Assad. Those are the roots of ISIS.

Important facts should not be lost in the noise.

a reply to: pthena

And the coup de grace.

What is a good American to do but cry out "Please politicians tell me plainly exactly which Muslims to fear so I can stop fearing the wrong ones!"

Bravo.

We need more Hitchens in this world! gone too soon, too soon! I wonder what he would say about society in 2016...

originally posted by: Jonjonj
And the coup de grace.


Bravo.

Thank you, glad someone read it.

I was trying to not veer too far off topic with the power politics and religious conspiracy stuff, but it was sort of necessary background. The ambiguity which permeates the whole subject does promote subjective uneasiness. Uneasiness quite easily leads to civil unrest.