Diagnosis? Islamophobia

a reply to: pthena

Ambiguity is the bane of modern society, there is a lot of heat on the subject as we speak regarding political correctness.
It was a pleasure to read your posts.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

INDEED.

I, sadly, expect to see the day when the most dire warnings will turn out to have been wimpy and shallow compare to the actual results, experiences of the planet's peoples and Nations.

a reply to: pthena

Thanks I threw that out there to refresh the minds of those that know exactly the whys and reasons of US and the world meddling in the middle east, but sadly under the present administration things has gone a different path of the one I am sure that the Obama administration planned for the middle east, if my mind doesn't fail me the great Israeli lobbying group are not very happy with Obama.

a reply to: marg6043

I quit tracking all that a little over a year ago, so no new info from me I'm afraid. It would be my guess that military take over of Turkey wasn't part of the plan. And Obama wasn't supposed to throw Iran a bone. Just guessing though.

ETA

Some other phobias:

I couldn't find one for Fear of being correct but not believed, perhaps Cassandraphobia?
Doxophobia: Fear of expressing opinions and being believed.
Allodoxaphobia – fear of hearing opinions.

If someone were to suffer from all those phobias at the same time, Holy Moly what a mess!

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: markosity1973

Look, if the photo is not a toddler but the Jordanian pilot burning, it matters not to me. Anyone who can do that to a human being is ... monstrous.

I had to leave the thread, and I won't go back to that first page.

Intellectually, I know people do this for Islam, but I don't make a habit of looking at the pictures or videos because I cannot go there emotionally. I have to stay rational or I risk wanting to become a monster myself.

I actually felt physically ill looking at that picture.

But I gotta give kudos to the member for posting it, because as much as it haunted my dreams last night, it made me stop and think. The good people of this world need to see little bit of the truth to understand that the threat is real.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

LOVE THE IMAGE.

EXACTLY.

WELL PUT.

Thanks.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: markosity1973Anyone who can do that to a human being is ... monstrous.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

However, millions of infants are

literally BURNED TO DEATH WITH SALINE solutions in the wombs of millions of mothers every . . . month?

We have been deliberately conditioned to treat horrendously evil genocide with a yawn.

. . . and more popcorn and applause to DANCING WITH THE STARS.

a reply to: atrollstalker
I then clarify by stating "NOoooooo, I JUST want to KILL off your fringe combat elements,not YOU per say ,NOW GIVE THEM TO ME!"
And they run off thinking I'm crazy ...again...

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Let's look at another word: Islamofascism

In 1978, Maxime Rodinson, a distinguished Marxist scholar of Islam, responded to French avant-garde enthusiasm for Khomeini's revolution in a three part article in Le Monde, by arguing that, in response to successive assaults by Crusaders, Mongols, Turks and Western imperialism, Islamic countries had come to feel embattled, and the impoverished masses had come to think of their elites, linked to foreigners, as devoid of traditional piety. Both nationalism and socialism imported from the West were recast in religious terms, in a process of political Islamicization which would be devoid of the progressive side of nationalism and revert to what he called "a type of archaic fascism" characterized by policing the state to enforce a totalitarian moral and social order.
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As a neologism it was adopted broadly in the wake of the September 11 attacks to intimate that either all Muslims, or those Muslims who spoke of their social or political goals in terms of Islam, were fascists.
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Accounts differ as to who popularized the term. President George W. Bush introduced the term officially during his presidency. According to Safire, author Christopher Hitchens was responsible for its diffusion,
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It circulated in neoconservative circles for some years after 2001 and came into wider currency after President George W. Bush, still grappling to find a phrase that might identify the nature of the "evil" which would define the nature of his enemy in the War on Terror, stated in 2005 that Islamofascism was an ideology synonymous with Islamic radicalism and militant jihadism, which, he then clarified, was decidedly distinct from the religion of Islam.
Islamofascism

So yeah Islamofacism became the scary word used to make people fear. And Hitchens is given some credit for that.

I call people spreading lies and propaganda about Islam Islamophobics just as I would call people spreading lies and propaganda against homosexuals homophobics.

People that see an Arab and automatically thinks he's a terrorist, that's an Islamophobic.

Sure Islamophobic might be an overused buzz word but it can be applicable in the right situations. Another word that was overused and sadly lost it's meaning so much that posts on ATS we're actually erased just for using that word is ''Shill''. It's a word that's applicable yet people, probably many of them we're real shills, managed to render the word as being only synonymous to ''troll''.

Also, I don't understand how on a forum claiming 'deny ignorance', some still think that ISIS are solely from Islam. It's obvious that they are financed by Zionists.

In general, I stay clear of people that want to change the meaning of words to fit their agenda.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Let's look at another word: Islamofascism

In 1978, Maxime Rodinson, a distinguished Marxist scholar of Islam, responded to French avant-garde enthusiasm for Khomeini's revolution in a three part article in Le Monde, by arguing that, in response to successive assaults by Crusaders, Mongols, Turks and Western imperialism, Islamic countries had come to feel embattled, and the impoverished masses had come to think of their elites, linked to foreigners, as devoid of traditional piety. Both nationalism and socialism imported from the West were recast in religious terms, in a process of political Islamicization which would be devoid of the progressive side of nationalism and revert to what he called "a type of archaic fascism" characterized by policing the state to enforce a totalitarian moral and social order.
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As a neologism it was adopted broadly in the wake of the September 11 attacks to intimate that either all Muslims, or those Muslims who spoke of their social or political goals in terms of Islam, were fascists.
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Accounts differ as to who popularized the term. President George W. Bush introduced the term officially during his presidency. According to Safire, author Christopher Hitchens was responsible for its diffusion,
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It circulated in neoconservative circles for some years after 2001 and came into wider currency after President George W. Bush, still grappling to find a phrase that might identify the nature of the "evil" which would define the nature of his enemy in the War on Terror, stated in 2005 that Islamofascism was an ideology synonymous with Islamic radicalism and militant jihadism, which, he then clarified, was decidedly distinct from the religion of Islam.
Islamofascism

So yeah Islamofacism became the scary word used to make people fear. And Hitchens is given some credit for that.

Cool. That makes more sense than islamophobia.

a reply to: theMediator

Blame CAIR for that one as part of their agenda to push fundamentalist Islam in the US they were the first to use Islamophobia liberally for their benefit, They will love to have our own government to ban any bad talking about Islam in our nation.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Cool. That makes more sense than islamophobia.

Except Islamofascism doesn't really make sense either.

Criticism of theory of a link between Islam and fascism
It circulated mainly as a propaganda, rather than an analytic, term after the September 11 attacks on the United States in September 2001 but also gained a foothold in more sober political discourse, both academic and pseudo-academic. Many critics are dismissive, variously branding it as "meaningless" (Daniel Benjamin); "a kosher-halal" throwback version of the "vacuous" old leftist epithet "fascist pig" (Norman Finkelstein); a "figment of the neocon imagination" (Paul Krugman); and as betraying an ignorance of both Islam and Fascism (Angelo Codevilla).

Tony Judt, in an analysis of liberal acquiescence in President George W. Bush's foreign policy initiatives, particularly the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq, argued that this policy was premised on the notion there was such a thing as Islamofascism, a notion Judt considered catastrophic. In his diagnosis of this shift he detected a decline in the old liberal consensus of American politics, and what he called the "deliquescence of the Democratic Party". Many former left-liberal pundits, like Paul Berman and Peter Beinart having no knowledge of the Middle East or cultures like those of Wahhabism and Sufism on which they descant authoritatively, have, he claimed, and his view was shared by Niall Ferguson, latched onto the war on terror as a new version of the old liberal fight against fascism, in the form of Islamofascism. In their approach there is a cozy acceptance of a binary division of the world into ideological antitheses, the "familiar juxtaposition that eliminates exotic complexity and confusion: Democracy v. Totalitarianism, Freedom v. Fascism, Them v. Us" has been revived. Judt cited many others who, once liberals have fallen in lockstep with the American idea of a global war against Islamic jihad: Adam Michnik, Oriana Fallaci; Václav Havel ; André Glucksmann, Michael Ignatieff, Leon Wieseltier, David Remnick, Thomas Friedman and Michael Walzer. Christopher Hitchens was also criticized by Judt, as making unhistoric simplifications, to justify use of the term.

I would have to make up my own definition of the word before I could even use it. But then nobody but me would even know what I meant by the word.

fascio meaning a bundle of rods, ultimately from the Latin word fasces. Fascism: a supranational corporate identification such as: Worldwide Jewry, Worldwide Roman Catholicism, or Worldwide Islam (Ummah).
These 3 examples exist. They have existed for over a thousand years. The World has not come to an end because of the existence of one or all of them.

Now that I have a definition that makes some sense to me, I still don't feel like using the word in conversation.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

This is a very familiar theme, does this not remind us of "Anti-Semitism"?

Demonizing critics is an amazingly powerful tool that the people at the top use liberally. All you need to do to discredit an ideological opponent in the current social climate is to accuse them without basis of any of these insults:

Racist
Homophobe
Islamophobe
Anti-Semite
White Supremacist
Misogynist
Sexist
Xenophobe
White

Once any of these labels are placed on a person, regardless of merit or evidence, the media runs with it like rabid dogs. This then trickles into social media and infests the minds of the media consumer. Once this happens, it goes viral and then becomes fact in the minds of the propagandized zombies.

Raaaaaaaaccccccciiiiiiisst......Raccccccciiiiiiissssst

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: atrollstalker

OMG!

Who would do that to a toddler?

No one.

A quick reverse image search proves that to be the case.

It is merely Islamophobic propaganda.

Something the OP doesn't believe in.

Way to trash a thread in 4 posts trollstalker.

Oh come on man, there are VIDEOS all over the web and news of them doing this. The only reason I replied was because you called it islamic propaganda. When in reality they do these things and worse.

The only thing that needs to change is the fact that Muslims are in America. Regardless of what they say or claim they have proven to be a threat to national security in every country they invade. History has proven this time and time again. They have no right to try and enforce barbaric Sharia laws or impede on a country's freedoms and way of life. Islam can't handle any type of criticism and it ruins entire societies. They say Islam will conquer the world and everyone will be a good Muslim. What a joke.

originally posted by: Xeven
I have Islamophobia because Islam is inspiring terrorist. Religion or not, free speech or not, it is the inspiration that is making mentally ill and brainwashed people into killers of innocents.

kindnessblog.com...

Agreed. If Muslims want to earn respect and acceptance, they must first halt violence.. It is the responsibility of the Muslims to halt these activities, and then Islam will instantly gain respect and acceptance. I dont see that happening since they refuse to acknowledge it. I think that any non ignorant, non Muslim American, knows that the majority of Muslims do not support these kinds of attacks but unfair or not I think Muslim Americans need to get out in numbers and show that they disapprove of this behavior publically and together. They say no practicing Muslim would advocate violence in any form but every act of violence whether it be in the US or around the world is claimed to be in the name of Islam. Again, any non ignorant person knows this is not the case, but when you hear it so many times and see so many people die many people start to believe it. I know its not fair that thier community should have to go out and protest something they are obviously not supporters of or have any connection to but In my opinion until large numbers of US Muslims get together to protest violence in the name of Islam, this stereotype will continue to grow.

When the whole incident in California took place, all I saw was CAIR defending the family of the 2 Terrorists. Than I see the innocent people brutally murdered just having a meal in Israel, all I saw were praises and cheers coming from Muslims on Twitter and Facebook. I think it is safe to say, the "demonization of Muslims in the media", is not America's doing, but those doing the killing.

a reply to: RetsuUnohana

It is the responsibility of the Muslims to halt these activities, and then Islam will instantly gain respect and acceptance.
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I think Muslim Americans need to get out in numbers and show that they disapprove of this behavior publically and together.

So perhaps 5 times per day, a two minute warning for call to prayer, so that Two minutes of Hate can be properly observed before prayer, to demonstrate disapproval of atrocity, to the satisfaction of observers.


ETA

This beautiful inter-religion call to prayer scares the hell out of me.

What if the Jews, Christians, and Muslims declare peace among themselves, and then enforce that peace throughout the World?

That's what scares the hell out of me.

originally posted by: RetsuUnohana
If Muslims want to earn respect and acceptance, they must first halt violence.. It is the responsibility of the Muslims to halt these activities, and then Islam will instantly gain respect and acceptance.

If AR-15 owners don't want to be seen as potential mass shooters, they need to first halt the gun violence. It is the responsibility of people who own AR-15s, to halt these activities, and then gun owners will instantly gain respect and acceptance.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Islamophobia is a muzzle of censorship, nothing more.

Love the large initial font. Unfortunately, the statement is small thinking.

Islamophobia is about prejudice, hatred, and fear. You can criticize the religion of Islam, and be in favor of Islamic Reform without being Islamophobic.