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originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: MrBlaq
The Jewish records of the Rabbis ... the Talmud ...Jewish belief ...that Jesus was the result of an illegitimate union between his mother and a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera.
The Talmud writers mentioned Jesus' name twenty times and quite specifically documented that he was born an illegitimate son of a Roman soldier ..."
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: stonerwilliam
i have read that it wasnt actually a virgin birth, that the greek was mistranslated and actually says "young woman".
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NOTurTypical
I never said He was teaching the Torah or Judaism. I said at the time he was writing letters the "scriptures" he was talking about was the Tenakh,
Except that, there are no scriptures in the Tanakh that say what he was speaking of in 1 Corinthians 15. So, the Tanakh couldn't have been the "scripture" that he was referring to.
I already showed in Isaiah 53 that it says the Messiah would be killed for the sins of the people, that He would be buried (with the rich even), and that His days would be prolonged after He was buried (that's raised from the dead).
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
While the original Hebrew text clearly refers to the Jewish people as the “Suffering Servant,” over the centuries Isaiah 53 has become a cornerstone of the Christian claim that Jesus is the Messiah. Unfortunately, this claim is based on widespread mistranslations and distortion of context.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Honestly, I don't think you are "fully aware" of anything that is factually based. At all.
Do you still believe that Jesus was stabbed through the heart (false) and the other crap that whatever surgeon hack and that Lee Strobel said?
You still believe that?
Do you still believe he rose from the dead?
I'm fully aware the Rabbinical teaching since 32 AD has been it's not a Messianic prophecy. Fully aware. I put much more weight into what the rabbis said for 1700 years before Jesus when there was no motive to declare it wasn't.
The Deutero-Isaian part of the book describes how God will make Jerusalem the centre of his worldwide rule through a royal saviour (a messiah) who will destroy her oppressor (Babylon); this messiah is the Persian king Cyrus the Great, who is merely the agent who brings about Yahweh's kingship.
The 53rd chapter of Isaiah is a beautiful, poetic song, one of the four “Servant Songs” in which the prophet describes the climactic period of world history when the Messiah will arrive and the Jewish people assume the role as the spiritual leaders of humanity.
Isaiah 53 is a prophecy foretelling how the world will react when they witness Israel's salvation in the Messianic era. The verses are presented from the perspective of world leaders, who contrast their former scornful attitude toward the Jews with their new realization of Israel's grandeur. After realizing how unfairly they treated the Jewish people, they will be shocked and speechless
Moving the goalposts, similar to "shifting sands" and also known as raising the bar, is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. That is, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt. The problem with changing the rules of the game is that the meaning of the end result is changed, too.
Moving the goalposts may also refer to feature creep, in which the completion of a product like software is not acknowledged because an evolving list of required features changes over time, which in extreme cases may even require rewriting the entire program. Thus, the goal of "completing" the product for a client may never occur.