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A Dangerous Heresy

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posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 02:09 AM
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Deutero Isaiah theory is nonsense, Jesus Himself quotes from Isaiah chapter 53 in John 12:38, then says this in John 12:39..


Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,


And He proceeds to quote from Isaiah chapter 6 in the next verse, John 12:40.




posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 10:14 AM
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Textual criticism
Textual criticism is a branch of textual scholarship, philology, and literary criticism that is concerned with the identification of textual variants in either manuscripts or printed books. Ancient scribes made alterations when copying manuscripts by hand.[1] Given a manuscript copy, several or many copies, but not the original document, the textual critic might seek to reconstruct the original text (the archetype or autograph) as closely as possible.
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The phrase "lower criticism" is used to describe the contrast between textual criticism and "higher criticism", which is the endeavor to establish the authorship, date, and place of composition of the original text.

There are two possible answers I can give. One would be simple heresy, the other would be blasphemy.

1) Jesus was speaking in a time and place wherein the convention was to consider the whole of Isaiah scroll to be of one authorship.

Compare to this: A one author scholar is in a discussion with four three author scholars, concerning the ideological content of Isaiah as opposed to the higher criticism of Isaiah. The conversation, by the flow of it, has established the convention of referring to 1 Isaiah, 2 Isaiah, 3 Isaiah, rather than chapters, for the purpose of context.

The one author scholar says, "But Second Isaiah is really speaking to the issue of ..."
Has the one author scholar suddenly changed positions? No, he was following the convention of the conversation, rather than saying, "But in chapters 40 through chapter 56, Isaiah is ..."

That would be the merely heretical way of explaining it. Now for the blasphemy:
2) Perhaps Jesus, being not omniscient, was wrong.



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 10:53 AM
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I have another theory, the Holy Spirit foreknew every single error and heresy when He inspired scripture and addressed them in the text before they appeared in the mind of man.



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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So engage in a little bit of textual criticism by using the Greek with all manner of grammar, syntax, and what not to show that that in "because that Esaias said again" has the emphasis in such a way as to mean "because that very same man Esaias, not scroll Esaias, which I previously referred to also said..."


edit on 29-7-2016 by pthena because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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I know He is saying that same Isaiah was the one who said the two prophecies he quoted. The first came from Isaiah ch 53 and the second one came from Isaiah ch 6.

There aren't deutero-Isaiahs.



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