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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko
Just look at Obama and Hillary's past reactions to issues in the Middle east.
Obama will support the extremist Muslim elements.
He's done it so many times in the past that I really don't see this as a something for debate. Obama will support Erdogan.
Hillary has supported Erdogan in the past and even wrote about it in her book. So she would continue to support him.
It's what they want. I don't know why, but for some reason, a certain segment of the US leadership desires Muslim extremist leadership in the Middle East.
During the Cold War era on the US and NATO bases used by the Quick Reaction Alert readiness forces numbers of bombs were stored in a heavily secured Weapon storage area located on or in the vicinity of the base. The ‘specials’ were located in nuclear weapon (igloo) bunkers. Transporting them to and from the Quick Reaction Alert area (a few heavily guarded aircraft shelters near the main runway) during exercises and for logistic reasons always required a convoy with a large number (appx 50 armed military) of security forces which included a Security Alert Team, Backup Alert and Reserve Force team. The WS3 system consists of a Weapons Storage Vault (WSV) and electronic monitoring and control systems. One vault can hold up to four nuclear weapons and in the lowered position provides ballistic protection through its hardened lid and reinforced sidewalls. The WS3 system allowed storage directly underneath the aircraft intended to carry the bombs. The location inside the aircraft shelter increased the weapon survivability in case of any kind of attack and prevent monitoring of preparations to use the weapons. The electronic systems include various classified sensors, electronic data-transmission and security equipment such as video, motion detectors, closed circuit TV coupled with thermal imaging devices. These facilities enabled remote controlled weapon safety and made the large security forces obsolete. Deployment of the WS3 system was authorized in 1988, and they were in widespread use by 1995. 215 WS3 vaults were built for the United States Air Forces in Europe at 13 sites in seven countries. Additionally 34 WS3 vaults were built for the Royal Air Force to store the WE.177 nuclear bomb; 10 at RAF Brüggen in Germany and 24 at RAF Marham in Britain.
so yeah either render them inoperable (that would still leave fissile material in play) or my theory of levling the place to keep them out of enemy hands
But Walker, who served at the US Embassy in Ankara, called any concern about the security of the weapons "hyperbolic," saying that the weapons would still need to be activated from Washington to be usable. The Cold War-era nuclear weapons are part of NATO's deterrence strategy. "As long as nuclear weapons exist, NATO will remain a nuclear alliance," reads the official declaration from the July NATO summit in Warsaw, Poland.
Seizing or remotely disabling a weapon of mass destruction is what’s known in military jargon as a “render-safe mission” -- and JSOC has evidently pulled off such missions before. In his memoir, Hugh Shelton, who chaired the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1997 to 2001, recalls an incident from the 1990s in which the CIA told the Special Operations Command that a ship had left North Korea with what Shelton describes as “an illegal weapon” on board. Where it was headed, the U.S. didn’t know. He wrote: “It was a very time-sensitive mission in which a specific SEAL Team Six component was called into action. While I cannot get into the tactical elements or operational details of this mission, what I can say is that our guys were able to ‘immobilize’ the weapon system in a special way without leaving any trace.” Much more challenging than capturing and disabling a loose nuke or two, however, would be seizing control of -- or at least disabling -- the entire Pakistani nuclear arsenal in the event of a jihadist coup, civil war, or other catastrophic event. This “disablement campaign,” as one former senior Special Operations planner calls it, would be the most taxing and most dangerous of any special mission that JSOC could find itself tasked with -- orders of magnitude more difficult and expansive than Abbottabad. The scale of such an operation would be too large for U.S. Special Operations components alone, so an across-the-board disablement campaign would be led by U.S. Central Command -- the area command that is responsible for the Middle East and Central Asia, and runs operations in Afghanistan and Iraq -- and U.S. Pacific Command.
Gulen is a charismatic and reclusive man who has lived in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania since 1999. The official reason for his exile is given as "medical", but Gulen was actually fleeing charges of plotting to overthrow the government in Turkey. Over the years, he has built an impressive network of more than 1,000 schools in 140 countries, from South Africa to the United States.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Clinton Foundation have taken in hundreds of thousands of dollars from Gülen’s followers, including from Recep Ozkan, former president of the Gülen-connected Turkish Cultural Center.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Obama is waiting for his cue to come in and say, see it wasn't such a bad idea to let Iran have them nukes, now they can point them at each other. All an evil orchestrated long term plan. Turkey goes Sunni extreme to counter Iranian Shia extreme, and they want them armed with nukes. China aims at India, Pakistan aims at India, Iran aims at India, India is kind of screwed. Why is nobody talking about poor India?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: luthier
So you're cool with the idea that if Erdogan says, "No you can't move those nukes." After we determine it would no longer be safe or sane to keep them there that we might have to use military force against Turkey and ostensible ally and NATO country in order to remove them?