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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BubbaJoe
Another way to look at this ideology is this: They are being offered the chance to fight for utopia. They're on a mission from god.
Serenity
The Operative: I'm sorry. If your quarry goes to ground, leave no ground to go to. You should have taken my offer. Or did you think none of this was your fault?
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: I don't murder children.
The Operative: I do. If I have to.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Why? Do you even know why they sent you?
The Operative: It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?
The Operative: I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.
This exchange between Mal and the Operative from Serenity sort of typifies it. There is nothing they won't do, no evil that can't be excused for their ideology and the world they believe they will bring about through their actions. ISIS offers them that to look to. They may not, likely will not ever live in that world. In fact, they will all pretty much die, but ISIS also promises them Paradise if they do carry out these acts.
This what we have to find an ideology to combat. We have to find something they can believe in that will keep them from thinking that is a better belief.
And we aren't going to do it by discussing how this word and that word are racist and should be banned from even being uttered. Why this person and person and that person did or did not pay enough in taxes and if that does or does not make them evil greedy bastards. Whether or not America as we know it is an evil nation that is illegitimate or a good one.
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
Didn't bother me emotionally a bit, but if it did to anyone else, it's because the media designs it that way. We really won't have time to let it rest. ISIS (or the CIA) is about to ramp up attacks on 6 more states, and has a hit list of thousands of individuals (most likely influential political enemies of Obama and Hillary) that they are going to kill. Trump may be one...I don't know. I'm guessing that Obama will have an eye injury pretty soon, if he's the on the Bible described. I suppose that would fit the "one eye" of the illuminati symbolism.
originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: ketsuko
Christian Church response is usually to 'send missionaries'. Obviously we can't do that. Life expectancy would be too short.
But I wonder why Muslims can't send 'missionaries' to teach a different view. Maybe for the same reason as above.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BubbaJoe
The only thing I can think of that might work is to offer up a competing ideology.
They are looking for something to believe in. ISIS gives it to them and sells it effectively.
People need something to believe in, always have, always will. We live in a secular, materialistic world. It is spiritually empty. Some people find causes to fill that void; that's where BLM, SJWs, the green movement, and others like them come from. Some people turn to various religions. Some people find hedonism, sometimes mixed with various degrees of nihilism.
ISIS offers their perspective and it fits that empty spot.
As hard as this is to comprehend, we need to come up with a counter message to that. Something that can fill that void.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: BubbaJoe
There is a little convenience store/gas station right down the road from me, it's where I fill up the car. Cheaper in Oregon, and he's the cheapest in that stretch of the road...
He's originally from Yemen. Muslim. He's scared #less...some jackwad came in and pointed the classic finger gun at him today. Wife, two children (boy and a girl), nice folks. They're not Muslim, they're as Christian as you could ask for...guess what, doesn't seem to matter.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
Give it time.
Lets heal a bit before we nuke a country, ban a firearm, ban a religion, hate on a religion.
Lets make a decision with all our faculties intact. Lets be cold, hard and sure of ourselves.
Lets grieve. Lets cry. Lets rage.
Then calmly make decisions that will affect us forever.
Just my opinion folks, take it for what it's worth.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Spider879
Before we look at possible solutions, might we look at those that would be providing them?
We can talk about solving problems all day, but in the end, we are captives to those we have elected.
originally posted by: onequestion
We need leaders who are level headed enough to act quickly and without emotion.
People who can set aside their emotions and respond in an effective manner that both sets political tensions and feeling of security at ease not morons who incite racial violence and use events as opportunities to go after political gun grabs.