Immortal man

originally posted by: Kashai
It is possible that such a concept as human being infinite has something to do with understanding the Present as a Surface.

If the present is a surface, and you multiply by time which is a circle, you get a sphere. Perhaps the immortal soul goes on a tangent off the cyclical sphere, out of samsara, and into the Sovereignty of the Heavenly realms - This spiritual birth would be within, a voyage inside the mind into the spiritual frontier in which you ride with waves of light, rather than fight them.

"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

but i have realized that there is fear/stress, which is getting recognized in me lately and probably the biggest reason that is holding me back due to some reason connected with work... This and impatience.

The thing with work, in the conventional societal sense, is that it constantly detracts you from complete freedom. Many would counter such a statement by saying "work = money and money = freedom", but they are a slave to their desires. World Peace and Inner Peace is Free. Such Liberty is revealed to any soul with faithful knowledge that fully renounces this material refuse. Here is a piece that Saint John wrote during his ascent into the heights:

"But before all things it is needful that the believer should look before at his ending and understand it in what manner it will come upon him, whether it will be vigorous and sober and without any obstacle, or disturbed and clinging to the things that are here, and bound down by desires." Acts of John

As I slowly strip my dependence on matter (I'm currently dealing with school debt) I can see the spiritual world opening. Continue Loving and remain truthful in every sense of the word: truthful expression and doing what you truly know is Good.

a reply to: UniFinity

well after contemplating a bit about it..
I guess even fear needs to be learned to let go. Every negative emotion can be treated with proper antidote...and such fear is much lower scale than the fear of death.

and i have face death in dreams or practice and i think, compared to that, this is nothing at all so the courage should not be a problem... Just a lot more sneaky because when i am not mindful, old thoughts causes old patterns to emerge...

note to myself:
practice observation of thoughts and emotions.

ok...please carry on about alchemy or whatnot : )

a reply to: cooperton

thank you, i think it is a great advice, love and compassion is certainly the key!

also, good luck on your journey.

hmm, i realized that obelisks could also be a symbol for left and right main nadi channels...very interesting..

kibric, please, if you have anything interesting to share about alchemy about breathing practices or how to activate? or purify? nadi channels...well or anything.. please post away...if or when you feel like it.

and thank you and all others for this thread, it has been very helpful!

Non who are born on Earth can escape death
All will cross that threshold ... no matter what belief you may hold

The soul may be immortal ... but the body is a walking coffin

a reply to: UniFinity

Sure friend

Making associations with elements

Below is a Siddhar technique about Air
but be careful
do it alot and you will start to float

7 inhalations then 7 exhalations

To start

focus on inhalations

Inhale and picture yourself inflating like a balloon
as you breathe in , imagine that your sucking in Air through
the pores of your skin and inflating like a balloon.
then exhale normally , picturing nothing.

Inhale again doing the same thing
picture yourself inflating like a balloon.
then exhale normally , picturing nothing

Do this 7 times
with each inhalation imagine the balloon (you)
filling up and holding more and more Air.
on the exhales dont picture anything

After 7 breathes focusing on inhalations
you do the reverse

now you focus on exhalations
7 breathes focusing on exhalations

Inhale , and dont picture anything
then exhale and imagine you are deflating like a balloon

inhale again picturing nothing
then exhale again
and imagine you are deflating like a balloon

on each exhale imagine the balloon (you)
deflating , losing more and more air.

7 inhalations focusing on inflating
then 7 exhalations focusing on deflating

14 breathes all together

The idea is to reinforce associations with an element (Air)

Siddhars that do this regularly become very light on their feet
It is one way of developing Siddhis

A popular variation on this as you mentioned nadi channels
is to do the 7 inhalations through left nostril , holding the other nostril closed
then do the 7 exhalations through the right nostril , holding the other nostril closed

a reply to: artistpoet

Non who are born on Earth can escape death

that's your belief friend
but Federico Gualdi and some others would argue otherwise

a reply to: kibric

Do you fear Death ... what do you think happens to you when you die
How old is the oldest Human Being

In the nature of things all is change ...

a reply to: artistpoet

How old is the oldest Human Being

well Mr and Mrs Ingalese could debate that for hours
i am not gonna go there

In the nature of things all is change .

Yes that is true

a reply to: kibric

When you speak of the power of the Mind overcoming death ... Yes I believe this but in doing so, you would find yourself in a realm not of this Earth ... is what I believe

Relevant to earlier post about the eyes
www.abovetopsecret.com...

" The eyes do not age like the rest of our organs, due to the exaggerated expression of the chromosome-healing enzyme telomerase "

from another thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

" the retinas in particular have been theorized to serve as magnetoreceptors "
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...





These symbols for the eyes
have transitioned across cultures

“Come let us roam in the forest which is of the size of needle tip”.
How can there be a forest of the size of needle tip or how can a needle tip become a forest.
The tiny divine light of the size of needle tip is present in the center of pupil in our eyes.
If we enter inside this divine light it will expand and become very vast space.
This is what our Siddhar is singing in his song.
All the seers and saints have conveyed the above information that the Supreme Paramatma has become a tiny divine light and is present and accessible as jeevatma in the center of pupil in our two eyes and is of the size of needle tip.
This information is conveyed as “Answers to Questions” or as “Code Words” or as “Symbols” or as “hidden things”.

deathlesseducation.blogspot.co.uk...

a reply to: kibric

don't have anything substantial to add, except to say that is very interesting information...

it is breathtaking and magical when we look at the eyes...the pure black in the middle looks like a black hole, hehe
www.behance.net...

also about the breathing practice; it feels great and it is simple to perform ... thank you for sharing!

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

sometimes i read some posts again here and there, to get clearer understanding and you have a way with words and pointing ... really nice writing for someone interested into philosophy of nonduality.

"Seeing this again as a new experience, we are already immortal in how everything that arises also passes... and we simply remove one eye with belief and then lose the other trying to reclaim one lost from that belief. "

"Sometimes I think it's thinking that will somehow stop the worst expressions... pointing at it so it has no place to hide, yet at some point if it were to cease and be forgotten then the very pointing at it is what could be cause for it to rise again... "

just taking notes for myself until i learn how to dance ... rolling and stumping a lot of time, have yet to really figure out dancing ... with girls or otherwise ... Arutperumjothi.

I get where you are coming from, but would add that all of that is observed must be seen as an illusion on the surface of the mirror. If not we may be on the eternal band wagon of wash on wash off, a form of neurosis or spiritual trance. Yes that includes the one that thinks he or she is watching it. a reply to: UniFinity

originally posted by: kibric
A short post

here are some crash course methods about immortality
that in my 1st hand experience are tried and tested

of course you can disagree

the point in the post is to open a discussion
about different methods of achieving physical immortality

whether you believe or not
having a friendly dialogue about
the possibility and any different methods
members want too share is what i would like this thread to be



an earth immortal state

Nature-
1. - Physical application
rely on a natural environment for wisdom
clean air and water, vegetarian diet
no poison in the body
-mental application
stop counting birthdays , months weeks
live seasons after seasons, not counting
Forget Time. Do not consciously follow it
it becomes your nature not too count how many suns or moons pass

" The world is a stage. Time is the cyclical play , we are actors. " - unknown philosopher


" Now we will also show which things that are outside of us
and how many of them, such as the place of residence, purity
of the air and water, etc., contribute to the preservation of
health and the prolongation of life. It is rightly said that the
dead are the best teachers because they teach us in their
works without flattery and self-interest, as the following
epitaph informs us in regard to longevity: Continence and
Frugality Prolong Our Lifespan," - Friederich Gualdus , True
chemical wisdom

Great documentary Among white clouds
www.youtube.com...


2. - Alchemy-
Purify the right physical substances
by combining of the 4 elements , air water earth fire
to make a salt then oil
The salt rids the body of all poisons
through intense sweating

" Hermes: All Salts of what kind so ever, are contrary to our
Art, except the Salt of our Lunaria. " - The Rosary of the philosophers

3. - Prakasysm- Power of disembodying and entering into
other bodies (metempsychosis)

Transplanting conciousness
akin to Astral projection/manifestation

www.siddhars.com...


4. - Element sensation -
This is harder too explain
When total focus on a sensation caused by an element (fire , water etc )
causes a Realization about how the senses interpret the world around you

Burying yourself in mud - Earth
Sleeping in a river bed
associating earth with heaviness

focusing on the sensation of breathing - Air
focusing on the sensation of a breeze
" let the wind carry through your skin " - Laozi

Bathing frequently - Water. modern example Leonard Orr
accurate recall of a sensation , wet hands
strong focus enough too mimic the sensation of water


Making friends/associations with heat - Fire
Melting snow around you

The guys voice is quite funny but its an informative documentary
Fire Yogi ~ spiritual science of devotion
www.youtube.com...

5. Khechari mudra
Practise of using the tongue too loosen mucus

I know its brief
i just wanted too throw some talking points out there

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Dumb...Just dumb
Ignorant even.

Pure stupidity.

a reply to: wdkirk

Drive by troll ?

whether you believe or not having a friendly dialogue about..

i guess you don't need to say anything then

a few posts ago we talked about the monkey mind...
this video on youtube may be interesting to listen for anyone who has unleashed mental monkeys :lol presented in a funny and entertaining way, and this monk seems a great speaker and person.
although, this is not related directly to alchemy, but it is related to anyone who likes the practice and train basic awareness.

www.youtube.com...

in the video it is explained what part is the monkey mind and how to treat this aspect, but this is just one way...different people, different ways to practice and train.

a reply to: ancientthunder

he he...
indeed, it is very easy to exclude oneself but include everything else in illusion.
Great insight and thanks for pointing to that!

An example of Ouroboros in Alchemy



A modern Egg




Papyrus of Dama Heroub Ancient Egyptian, 21st Dynasty


Gnostic gem from Roman-era Egypt


en.wikipedia.org...


Amulets and Gems
www.lib.umich.edu...

thanks, great information all around!

originally posted by: kibric

this picture is very interesting, i have read about it on some site while briefly studying their symbols of the birds and their meaning ... simple to understand ... thanks a lot for that master Alchemists past and present!